Westworld (NO SPOILERS)
Discussion
Guvernator said:
Agreed. I'd have prefered a slightly slower build up. They could have developed the story, shown people having a good time in the park without any mishaps and built up some of the background of the characters for a few weeks before starting to show the darker side and the hosts becoming aware. I suppose though that they have to draw the punters in or risk the show getting cancelled. I really hope they do have something else in the bag though or else they've blown their load too soon.
Ep 1 was also the original pilot. Just having a nice time with people on holiday would have been a sure fire way of not progressing to a series, I guess lol.I think the interesting point of part 3 was where Teddy was butchered by the masked guys and he was taking shots at them but not taking any of them down. Tampered with hosts? Guests?
They also laboured the point that only certain hosts can shoot guns with the scene with Delores practicing, then later she managed to shoot the bad guy (who is the voice actor from GTA 5 that does Trevor!) with no issues.
They also laboured the point that only certain hosts can shoot guns with the scene with Delores practicing, then later she managed to shoot the bad guy (who is the voice actor from GTA 5 that does Trevor!) with no issues.
ben5575 said:
Very true. Ironic that on the one hand you have Hopkins telling the scientists that they are robots and not to care about them, whilst on the other expecting the audience to empathise with them.
Sorry, who is expecting the audience to empathise with the robots? Not getting you there at all.popeyewhite said:
ben5575 said:
Very true. Ironic that on the one hand you have Hopkins telling the scientists that they are robots and not to care about them, whilst on the other expecting the audience to empathise with them.
Sorry, who is expecting the audience to empathise with the robots? Not getting you there at all.The problem with this at the moment, and as pointed out above, as soon as something horrendous happens to a robot, it's simply taken offline, fixed and rebooted the next day. There is simply no pathos at the moment.
It is very different from the excellent Ch4 'Humans' which has a similar emerging consciousness in robots storyline, and makes it work very well.
*I know their not 'robots'
popeyewhite said:
ben5575 said:
Very true. Ironic that on the one hand you have Hopkins telling the scientists that they are robots and not to care about them, whilst on the other expecting the audience to empathise with them.
Sorry, who is expecting the audience to empathise with the robots? Not getting you there at all.They also portray guests differently depending on how they act with the hosts. There have been multiple conversations about how horrific the lives of some hosts are. There is no doubt that we are meant to empathise with Delores.
The show is going no where if we don't care about the characters.
The show is going no where if we don't care about the characters.
gregs656 said:
They also portray guests differently depending on how they act with the hosts. There have been multiple conversations about how horrific the lives of some hosts are. There is no doubt that we are meant to empathise with Delores.
The show is going no where if we don't care about the characters.
Yeah but you're assuming that because you don't (and a couple of others commenting), no-one else does. I'm fascinated seeing how Dolores develops and I don't think its the last we've seen of the original Peter Abernathy either - I thought he was the best part of ep 1.The show is going no where if we don't care about the characters.
Flip Martian said:
popeyewhite said:
ben5575 said:
Very true. Ironic that on the one hand you have Hopkins telling the scientists that they are robots and not to care about them, whilst on the other expecting the audience to empathise with them.
Sorry, who is expecting the audience to empathise with the robots? Not getting you there at all.gregs656 said:
They also portray guests differently depending on how they act with the hosts. There have been multiple conversations about how horrific the lives of some hosts are. There is no doubt that we are meant to empathise with Delores.
The show is going no where if we don't care about the characters.
This is key.The show is going no where if we don't care about the characters.
And actually why Hopkins's about-face was so annoying.
Ep 1 & 2 he seemed to be behaving exactly how "Arnold" was described. i.e. he loves them, hangs out with them and treats them well.
Then he takes a scalpel to the face... odd.
So far it seems to me that the question the viewer is being asked is - the ONLY thing that stops the hosts being conscious/human/morally relevant is the fact that the ops team wipe their memory every night...
so are they really more human than we originally think?
As more and more memories are allowed to reside (unclear if that is Hopkins's virus or just Bernand mucking around) we as viewer must be lead towards a "they're conscious" conclusion, no?
I for one would like to be the first to welcome our new Wild West overlords.
Oh and even money on:
Bernand's lover/admin lady - cyborg.
Bernand's son - cyborg.
Bernand's wife - cyborg (shout out to Gina Torres - she must have a bigger role going forward).
Finally WTF with the whole reset overnight thing.
Dolores and Teddy seem to be reset every day.
Yet Teddy is out all night stalking Wyatt with the guest.
At what point do they call "time" and hose them all down, wipe their memories and put them to bed????
Lastly, for the Stray - what is the proximity requirement for sleep mode?
Oh and WTF with cutting his head off?? Just tell him to walk home!
walm said:
Finally WTF with the whole reset overnight thing.
Dolores and Teddy seem to be reset every day.
Yet Teddy is out all night stalking Wyatt with the guest.
At what point do they call "time" and hose them all down, wipe their memories and put them to bed????
Lastly, for the Stray...WTF with cutting his head off?? Just tell him to walk home!
These 2 things do puzzle me. I assumed until Ep 3 that every night it all goes into sleep mode once the guests are tucked up in bed (and assumed there were rules about things being shut down after a certain time for maintenance, rather than it being 24 hours).Dolores and Teddy seem to be reset every day.
Yet Teddy is out all night stalking Wyatt with the guest.
At what point do they call "time" and hose them all down, wipe their memories and put them to bed????
Lastly, for the Stray...WTF with cutting his head off?? Just tell him to walk home!
The head off thing seemed a bit gratuitous. And in the pilot, a quick word in their ear would shut them down, so why can the girl only put the thing in sleep mode with a remote pad? And why not send it off to sleep with the words, when the pad doesn't work?
Flip Martian said:
These 2 things do puzzle me. I assumed until Ep 3 that every night it all goes into sleep mode once the guests are tucked up in bed (and assumed there were rules about things being shut down after a certain time for maintenance, rather than it being 24 hours).
The head off thing seemed a bit gratuitous. And in the pilot, a quick word in their ear would shut them down, so why can the girl only put the thing in sleep mode with a remote pad? And why not send it off to sleep with the words, when the pad doesn't work?
yes, it all got a little "Prometheus" unfortunately.The head off thing seemed a bit gratuitous. And in the pilot, a quick word in their ear would shut them down, so why can the girl only put the thing in sleep mode with a remote pad? And why not send it off to sleep with the words, when the pad doesn't work?
Good theory Ben
I looked at my phone a few times...this was when the same characters were on...can't recall who. Bit I am interested in the good guy host and the good guy guest, very much less so the PH guest.
The face on Hopkins!! Nice...but also creepy.
And his change of opinion on the machines...a double bluff? Or hints to Arnold?
Cybertronian, brilliant!!
The gun thing, the velocity thing works, if the velocity is much reduced, it's like an airsoft impact.
I enjoyed the chat on human intelligence, and the brain. I also enjoyed how the woodchopper guy had been whittling constellations into his s
tty animals. And that self harm bit, genuinely creepy.
I'd say Westworld so far has beene a mix of;
Truman show
Jurassic Park
Humans
BSG
Dark City and Game of Thrones.
Interesting that this new horrible gang may be human.
I looked at my phone a few times...this was when the same characters were on...can't recall who. Bit I am interested in the good guy host and the good guy guest, very much less so the PH guest.
The face on Hopkins!! Nice...but also creepy.
And his change of opinion on the machines...a double bluff? Or hints to Arnold?
Cybertronian, brilliant!!
The gun thing, the velocity thing works, if the velocity is much reduced, it's like an airsoft impact.
I enjoyed the chat on human intelligence, and the brain. I also enjoyed how the woodchopper guy had been whittling constellations into his s
tty animals. And that self harm bit, genuinely creepy.I'd say Westworld so far has beene a mix of;
Truman show
Jurassic Park
Humans
BSG
Dark City and Game of Thrones.
Interesting that this new horrible gang may be human.
walm said:
Finally WTF with the whole reset overnight thing.
Dolores and Teddy seem to be reset every day.
Yet Teddy is out all night stalking Wyatt with the guest.
At what point do they call "time" and hose them all down, wipe their memories and put them to bed????
Teddy has only just started the Wyatt addon that night so may not be back early the next day this time.Dolores and Teddy seem to be reset every day.
Yet Teddy is out all night stalking Wyatt with the guest.
At what point do they call "time" and hose them all down, wipe their memories and put them to bed????
Maybe they have more than one Delores and Teddy. Delores might be remembering something that the other Delores experienced through shared networked AI.
The human gang thing is a bit odd, so the indications are that they are guests as Ted's gun was ineffective against them? So there a a bunch of guests who decided to go all native? When did this happen and how long have they been there? Why are they following the mad Wyatt? I take it Hopkins character introduced this new story-line as no one else seems to know anything about it and mentioned wanting to give Ted some proper backstory which involves Wyatt.
Intrigued to see where this will lead but at the moment it seems a little off. The other female guest with Ted seemed genuinely scared, not really a nice experience for someone whose paid a lot of money to be there, I'd be wanting my money back. At what point are the actions of other guests deemed unacceptable and the park keepers have to step in and call time?
Intrigued to see where this will lead but at the moment it seems a little off. The other female guest with Ted seemed genuinely scared, not really a nice experience for someone whose paid a lot of money to be there, I'd be wanting my money back. At what point are the actions of other guests deemed unacceptable and the park keepers have to step in and call time?
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