Westworld (NO SPOILERS)

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Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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The gun was left by Ed? THere was a clip of Ed just before the event..didn't he say, 'I'm going to set you free'?
At first I thought she pulled it free from the robot that was going to rape her. But then I wondered about Ed.

SOmeone above mentioned they reckoned that Ed had tried to hack her in the barn, in a cerebral sense.

DS240

4,656 posts

218 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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Enjoying so far, but potential for it to go stupid. Trying to be too clever.

One thing.... guest on guest fight involving a knife. This will surely inflict the normal injuries of a knife. With this being the case how can WW manage that risk to guests? The guests might not know the fight is with another human guest!

By being too clever, there already seems a lot of gaps in believing how things would run in this 'world'.

texaxile

3,290 posts

150 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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I paused the pic of Arnold, when hopkins said he "died" in the park it seemed to be metaphorical.

Arnold is the man in black maybe?.I couldn't see much similarity apart from the thinning of hair. Born there and has been there for years we've been told and can act with impunity, even going to areas which seem relatively unknown (the "mexican" area) and familiarity with the bots, especially the blond girl (let's get re acquainted right from the start).

Maybe he's looking for his final code by embedding bad memories in the bots and watching the reaction the second and third time around as he's familiar with the routines, hence the dissection (scalping) of the bot in E2, trying to ascertain how far advanced they have become.

Maybe I've had too many Aspalls ciders (3 for £5 in Tesco).

Northbloke

643 posts

219 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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Tried to stick with it but found myself drifting off, bored.

Given up on it.

Piersman2

6,597 posts

199 months

Saturday 22nd October 2016
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This is starting to remind me of Sense8. Good first episode, fast moving, goodies, baddies, seemed to be an intriguing story line. Then 9 episodes of beautifully shot cinematic quality 'storyline' where the characters were developed, but so slowly that you ended up being bored. Then episode 10 where the baddy returned to try and leave it on a cliff hanger for a new series.

It's no Game of Thrones, but maybe that's the difference between a 'real' author and TV script writers having to worry about renewals.

cologne2792

2,126 posts

126 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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It's all very clever, multi-layered and typically deep but somehow it's just not as gripping, involving or enjoyable as other JJ / Nolan productions.



popeyewhite

19,782 posts

120 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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cologne2792 said:
It's all very clever, multi-layered and typically deep but somehow it's just not as gripping, involving or enjoyable as other JJ / Nolan productions.
This is a classic Abrams start though - all quite interesting then an unsatisfying denouement.

gregs656

10,868 posts

181 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Piersman2 said:
This is starting to remind me of Sense8. Good first episode, fast moving, goodies, baddies, seemed to be an intriguing story line. Then 9 episodes of beautifully shot cinematic quality 'storyline' where the characters were developed, but so slowly that you ended up being bored. Then episode 10 where the baddy returned to try and leave it on a cliff hanger for a new series.

It's no Game of Thrones, but maybe that's the difference between a 'real' author and TV script writers having to worry about renewals.
I didn't get that from Sense8 at all, I thought they did a really good job of hanging the 8 individual story lines together and linking them up. They also, crucially, had characters to sign post the rules.

I also disagree that people who write TV shows are not 'real' authors. Some of the best shows on TV have no connection at all from books, and lots of books are rubbish. Some stories are just better conceived and delivered than others.

Janluke

2,579 posts

158 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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I'm still in. Hoping it doesnt disappear up its own backside. I've read that the whole show has been mapped out in detail right up to the last episode

Gretchen

19,027 posts

216 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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I can't recall if there's been mention of Kissy being missing by anyone in the company. Yet they sent a search/recovery party out when the woodchoper/constellation carver went rogue. How have they missed Kissy when the robots are regularly reset?

Flip Martian

19,610 posts

190 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Gretchen said:
I can't recall if there's been mention of Kissy being missing by anyone in the company. Yet they sent a search/recovery party out when the woodchoper/constellation carver went rogue. How have they missed Kissy when the robots are regularly reset?
Hole in the script, that one I think.

OwenK

3,472 posts

195 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Do we know they've missed him? They might have brought him in that evening and patched him up thinking sone guest just got a bit knifey with him.

The woodcarver guy it sounds like had been missing for a few days, and they only noticed because he was miles out of his normal stomping grounds.

Flip Martian

19,610 posts

190 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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OwenK said:
Do we know they've missed him? They might have brought him in that evening and patched him up thinking sone guest just got a bit knifey with him.

The woodcarver guy it sounds like had been missing for a few days, and they only noticed because he was miles out of his normal stomping grounds.
Who knows, maybe. Kissy never appears again though - the actor who played him died not long after.

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Who is Kissy?

Flip Martian

19,610 posts

190 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Halb said:
Who is Kissy?
The gambling table robot from Ep1 - the man in black slashed his throat, took him out to the desert and scalped him.

bexVN

14,682 posts

211 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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I'm 4 episodes in, really intrigued by it tbh. I like the slow burn sometimes and I have generally always liked jj abrams work and I still think this will be a great series due to Jonathan Nolan's involvement.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

198 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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popeyewhite said:
This.

On another note - what is the significance of the gun that keeps appearing, the gun that Dolores used to shoot the bad guy in the barn. Is it a fault in the system similar to the way Dolores gets shot and bleeds, then suddenly isn't?
That's surely her seeing memories of previous loops. When you saw the man shout, then shoot her, that was a memory...so this time she decided to run. Same with the gun being there, then not. They've done this a few times, same with the indian attack turning into Ed Harris. They're starting to remember and change their actions based on those memories.

JagLover

42,371 posts

235 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Some mixed reviews on here.

Must say I am finding it fascinating and as much for the little moments as the big.

The stand out scene for ep3 for me is when Dolores is talking to the cowboy and seems to realise that whilst she is attaining consciousness he is just responding with rote responses.

In general I think that Evan Rachel Wood (who plays her) is amazing and not just because she is hot.

Guvernator

13,142 posts

165 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Yep agree, it really is a great performance and very nuanced. She can convey so much with just her facial expressions alone, you can literally see her flipping between her states of consciousness.

It's telling that although she is often naked in her scenes, you often spend most of the time riveted to her face more than the other obvious bits so as not to miss her subtle facial cues which really is a first for me where naked women are involved. wink

JagLover

42,371 posts

235 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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walm said:
Guvernator said:
The other female guest with Ted seemed genuinely scared, not really a nice experience for someone whose paid a lot of money to be there, I'd be wanting my money back.
Never been on a rollercoaster??
When she started screaming, I thought the opposite... "Wow! Value for money... she's crapping herself!!" (Even though surely she knows the bullets can't hurt her...)

However, then I realised the terrorists were human and thought maybe she was right to be screaming!!
Don't think they were human but yes I think that is the point of that segment, which is to add some variety to the park. You think you are invincible and then come up against a band of deranged killers who cant be shot.