Westworld (NO SPOILERS)
Discussion
trooperiziz said:
gregs656 said:
The criticisms of ep3 on here were not about a lack of action but, amongst other things, a lack of direction and clarity. If anything they were suggesting a slower build up where the overall mechanics of the park and it's inhabitants were put into place prior to any big plot points.
And there is a difference between a slow pace due to lots of new information being shown, and slow due to repetition of the same thing over and over again. Compare to The Wire or lately Narcos
A build up but it fleshed out the characters, this is slightly on the too slow side. Iworry that they set it up for multiple seasons. Will it be able to hold interest for that long?
Rich_W said:
This +1
Compare to The Wire or lately Narcos
A build up but it fleshed out the characters, this is slightly on the too slow side. Iworry that they set it up for multiple seasons. Will it be able to hold interest for that long?
Not worried - if it ends up disappointing, I'll stop watching. In the meantime, I'll enjoy it! Compare to The Wire or lately Narcos
A build up but it fleshed out the characters, this is slightly on the too slow side. Iworry that they set it up for multiple seasons. Will it be able to hold interest for that long?
Flip Martian said:
Not worried - if it ends up disappointing, I'll stop watching. In the meantime, I'll enjoy it!
Well yes obviously. But I fear that they've set it for 5 series (IIRC) and as a result not very much will happen until then. And then you get a series that SHOULD be great, since it's an interesting idea and good play on the robots vs humans theme.
But wont be.
Rich_W said:
But I fear that they've set it for 5 series (IIRC) and as a result not very much will happen until then. And then you get a series that SHOULD be great...But wont be.
That's pretty much how TV works, isn't it? I've only become heavily invested in 3 series over the years, X-Files, Lost and The Walking Dead. Despite many, many hours invested I gave up on all 3 as they were dragged well beyond their sell by date. Thank god for Netflix and stuff like Stranger Things. Beautifully packaged in a relatively tight overall running time, with enough closure at the end that you can just walk away satisfied without ever having to watch the next series if it appears.
I already fear Westworld and it's popularity means the inevitable 'renewed for another 4 seasons', with the writers then frantically trying to stretch their planned story arc over 80 hours when 20 would have been more than enough.
Flip Martian said:
Motorrad said:
All the people wanting the mayhem to start quick are wishing their lives away. The greatest payoff always comes from a good setup.
The joy of it is the subtlety, production values, references to the original movie (like the guests getting jailed in EP4) and the acting.
I've noticed the people playing the 'hosts' seem to be better actors than some of the supposed humans. In particular the British 'human' narrative creator whose acting was f
king terrible. Wonder if it's a sneaky way of planting doubt in our minds as to who exactly are the real 'people' in WW. Or if he was just crap. 
The cinematography is also fantastic IMO.
Agree with this. So enjoying it taking its time - seeing how things subtly change from episode to episode. Tantalising.The joy of it is the subtlety, production values, references to the original movie (like the guests getting jailed in EP4) and the acting.
I've noticed the people playing the 'hosts' seem to be better actors than some of the supposed humans. In particular the British 'human' narrative creator whose acting was f
king terrible. Wonder if it's a sneaky way of planting doubt in our minds as to who exactly are the real 'people' in WW. Or if he was just crap. The cinematography is also fantastic IMO.
But some people have no patience and just want it to be action action action. This is not really the series for them, I suspect!
Imagine you were thrust back from today into the wild west and someone was filming the whole thing. Watch it back and You would stick out like a sore thumb.
In fact it probably takes more skill for an accomplished actor to act badly than it does to do it all method stylee. It works very well in that respect I reckon.
It's great anyway. Not one you can watch from behind your phone, which is no bad thing.
Well with GoT finishing soon at least HBO will be exploring new series.
So ep4.
Bit of a clue to the MiB
More fererences to the maze....I reckon it's a deep code that the park thinks may lead to true AI, I also think that is the boards ultimate goal, or one of them.
I also think it's interesting that after 30 years, MiB has never met Snake.
dave_s13 said:
Imagine you were thrust back from today into the wild west and someone was filming the whole thing. Watch it back and You would stick out like a sore thumb.
I reckon BTTF3 showed that quite well.So ep4.
Bit of a clue to the MiB
More fererences to the maze....I reckon it's a deep code that the park thinks may lead to true AI, I also think that is the boards ultimate goal, or one of them.
I also think it's interesting that after 30 years, MiB has never met Snake.
Isn't snake part of the new plot line put in by Ford? She mentions Wyatt who is a new character which is why I thought she was too. Either that or she is part of the hidden\easter egg level so not surprising that MiB hadn't seen her before.
Still not sure what MiB's real motivation is, he seems pretty intense for someone who just wants to experience everything the park has to offer. I loved the "I'm on fking vacation" line though with hints of him running a foundation that saves lives so he is only a complete bd inside the park it seems.
Also liking the fact that Ford seems to be turning quiet sinister, his conversation with director lady was great stuff.
A few questions though. What happened to shouty English guy, he seems to have disappeared since Ford decided he was going to introduce his grand new plot or have I missed something?
Also Ted staked up a tree, looks like he has been their for quiet some time so what happened to the nightly reset where they pick up all the hosts and repair them? Why would they just leave him up there?
After a dodgy episode 3 I think 4 is back on form and got me hooked again.
Still not sure what MiB's real motivation is, he seems pretty intense for someone who just wants to experience everything the park has to offer. I loved the "I'm on f
king vacation" line though with hints of him running a foundation that saves lives so he is only a complete bd inside the park it seems.Also liking the fact that Ford seems to be turning quiet sinister, his conversation with director lady was great stuff.
A few questions though. What happened to shouty English guy, he seems to have disappeared since Ford decided he was going to introduce his grand new plot or have I missed something?
Also Ted staked up a tree, looks like he has been their for quiet some time so what happened to the nightly reset where they pick up all the hosts and repair them? Why would they just leave him up there?
After a dodgy episode 3 I think 4 is back on form and got me hooked again.
Guvernator said:
Isn't snake part of the new plot line put in by Ford? She mentions Wyatt who is a new character which is why I thought she was too. Either that or she is part of the hidden\easter egg level so not surprising that MiB hadn't seen her before.
Still not sure what MiB's real motivation is, he seems pretty intense for someone who just wants to experience everything the park has to offer. I loved the "I'm on fking vacation" line though with hints of him running a foundation that saves lives so he is only a complete bd inside the park it seems.
Snake was part of the gang that did the safe robbery in ep 1. It seems to have been a set piece for a while.Still not sure what MiB's real motivation is, he seems pretty intense for someone who just wants to experience everything the park has to offer. I loved the "I'm on f
king vacation" line though with hints of him running a foundation that saves lives so he is only a complete bd inside the park it seems.MiB, possibly has plans to make his own park? Steal secrets or f
k this one, 'I'll set you free line'?I did think Ed had weathered well, but I checked his age, he hasn't.
Halb said:
Snake was part of the gang that did the safe robbery in ep 1. It seems to have been a set piece for a while.
MiB, possibly has plans to make his own park? Steal secrets or fk this one, 'I'll set you free line'?
I did think Ed had weathered well, but I checked his age, he hasn't.
Oh yes of course, isn't that one of the big park plotlines though where the gang ride into town and start killing everybody? So yes strange that MiB wouldn't have run into her at some point. This isn't the only discrepancy like this either, some of the logic really doesn't make sense.MiB, possibly has plans to make his own park? Steal secrets or f
k this one, 'I'll set you free line'?I did think Ed had weathered well, but I checked his age, he hasn't.
My theory is MiB might be a board member hence why he is given so much free reign.
Guvernator said:
Oh yes of course, isn't that one of the big park plotlines though where the gang ride into town and start killing everybody? So yes strange that MiB wouldn't have run into her at some point. This isn't the only discrepancy like this either, some of the logic really doesn't make sense.
Well we only know because MiB says so.What other things are not logical?
Halb said:
Snake was part of the gang that did the safe robbery in ep 1. It seems to have been a set piece for a while.
I don't think it was always happening, I thought it was brought in so that the storyboard man could get the new speech his was so proud of in which was then never heard because Dr Who shot him (ok Jackson Lake. But am I the only one who thinks it looked like him?) . I think they were more of an out of town bounty hunting story.
Halb said:
What other things are not logical?
Well it's not one thing specifically, it's more stuff like this. MiB has been their for 30 years yet doesn't recognise a character from one of the main plot points.
Guest on guest violence, how do you prevent this?
The guns, still now sure how they work
Logistical problems, how do you prevent guests from messing up each others story-lines, i.e. what if one guest is on a quest with some characters and another guest gets drunk and just starts shooting everybody including the hosts that are helping the other guest with a quest. What if both guests want to do the Delores story-line at the same time, do they have to wait to have their go, do they take turns? I'd be pretty pissed that someone spoilt my game\holiday if I was paying 40k a day.
Some of it I imagine is left ambiguous on purpose to add an air of mystery to the show but other bits just don't feel like they've been thought through very well. Yes you could brush it off and say it's just a TV show but I think you are also a firm believer that even a TV show should have it's own internal logic and stick to it, I just don't think they've thought about those internal rules very well in this show.
Wasn't the logistics issue partly explained last night?
It seemed to me as if the raiding party including guests was drawn away from William's group (perhaps to avoid guest on guest conflict?).
The raiding party were given pretty much free run in town until other guests were reported as approaching the town.
Then the 'cavalry' were sent in and raiding guest guns jammed and they were arrested and jailed (The improv narrative voiced in control room was along the lines of to be broken out by one of saloon girls when they calmed down).
The menace shown by Ford was a great reveal.
I think MiB is probably the board member that Ford suggests was already present. I don't think he lives in West World, my assumption is that he has been taking his 'vacation' there for the 30 years. Otherwise his rebuke to the other guest wouldn't make much sense. My guess is that MiB takes his 'vaction' before a board meeting, which is upcoming.
Now we know Armistice is Host not a guest, presumable her narrative has been expanded/changed by Ford. It does make me wonder why a host took the saloon girl upstairs last week, it must be, I think also part of the narrative.
It seemed to me as if the raiding party including guests was drawn away from William's group (perhaps to avoid guest on guest conflict?).
The raiding party were given pretty much free run in town until other guests were reported as approaching the town.
Then the 'cavalry' were sent in and raiding guest guns jammed and they were arrested and jailed (The improv narrative voiced in control room was along the lines of to be broken out by one of saloon girls when they calmed down).
The menace shown by Ford was a great reveal.
I think MiB is probably the board member that Ford suggests was already present. I don't think he lives in West World, my assumption is that he has been taking his 'vacation' there for the 30 years. Otherwise his rebuke to the other guest wouldn't make much sense. My guess is that MiB takes his 'vaction' before a board meeting, which is upcoming.
Now we know Armistice is Host not a guest, presumable her narrative has been expanded/changed by Ford. It does make me wonder why a host took the saloon girl upstairs last week, it must be, I think also part of the narrative.
I mentioned at the beginning that MiB was probably an insider of some sort. Particularly after he was 'allowed to do what he wants'. Now further fuelled by the pyrotechnic authorisation.
I'm loving the music on the pianola in the saloon. Singing some of the lyrics to the tracks fell in to place. I googled it and coincidentally http://www.vulture.com/2016/10/westworld-cure-song...
If there is a soundtrack/score released I'd buy it.
I'm loving the music on the pianola in the saloon. Singing some of the lyrics to the tracks fell in to place. I googled it and coincidentally http://www.vulture.com/2016/10/westworld-cure-song...
If there is a soundtrack/score released I'd buy it.
Gretchen said:
I mentioned at the beginning that MiB was probably an insider of some sort. Particularly after he was 'allowed to do what he wants'. Now further fuelled by the pyrotechnic authorisation.
I'm loving the music on the pianola in the saloon. Singing some of the lyrics to the tracks fell in to place. I googled it and coincidentally http://www.vulture.com/2016/10/westworld-cure-song...
If there is a soundtrack/score released I'd buy it.
I wasn't that impressed with the opening credits music on first listen but it has far more depth to it now that I know how the series is developing (ie slowpace rather than all out action) Really appreciate it now.I'm loving the music on the pianola in the saloon. Singing some of the lyrics to the tracks fell in to place. I googled it and coincidentally http://www.vulture.com/2016/10/westworld-cure-song...
If there is a soundtrack/score released I'd buy it.
Much better this week, I thought.
We don't know if they do, but there are obvious ways to mitigate the risk.
The guns have been explained several times.
We have seen that the park has redundancies. I'm sure that people don't always get to do what they want, and certainly some people will be disappointed with their experience. This is no different from any other holiday; that is not a logical problem with this park but the reality of providing a service to the public, even an expensive one.
On the resetting every day - this doesn't necessarily happen; the characters have arcs, once the arcs are completed they are reset. If a guest interrupts their arc then this is played out until that loop is closed and then they are reset.
Guvernator said:
Well it's not one thing specifically, it's more stuff like this.
MiB has been their for 30 years yet doesn't recognise a character from one of the main plot points.
Guest on guest violence, how do you prevent this?
The guns, still now sure how they work
Logistical problems, how do you prevent guests from messing up each others story-lines, i.e. what if one guest is on a quest with some characters and another guest gets drunk and just starts shooting everybody including the hosts that are helping the other guest with a quest. What if both guests want to do the Delores story-line at the same time, do they have to wait to have their go, do they take turns? I'd be pretty pissed that someone spoilt my game\holiday if I was paying 40k a day.
Some of it I imagine is left ambiguous on purpose to add an air of mystery to the show but other bits just don't feel like they've been thought through very well. Yes you could brush it off and say it's just a TV show but I think you are also a firm believer that even a TV show should have it's own internal logic and stick to it, I just don't think they've thought about those internal rules very well in this show.
Not recognising a character is not a logical problem in a world where characters are created and dropped in to keep things interesting.MiB has been their for 30 years yet doesn't recognise a character from one of the main plot points.
Guest on guest violence, how do you prevent this?
The guns, still now sure how they work
Logistical problems, how do you prevent guests from messing up each others story-lines, i.e. what if one guest is on a quest with some characters and another guest gets drunk and just starts shooting everybody including the hosts that are helping the other guest with a quest. What if both guests want to do the Delores story-line at the same time, do they have to wait to have their go, do they take turns? I'd be pretty pissed that someone spoilt my game\holiday if I was paying 40k a day.
Some of it I imagine is left ambiguous on purpose to add an air of mystery to the show but other bits just don't feel like they've been thought through very well. Yes you could brush it off and say it's just a TV show but I think you are also a firm believer that even a TV show should have it's own internal logic and stick to it, I just don't think they've thought about those internal rules very well in this show.
We don't know if they do, but there are obvious ways to mitigate the risk.
The guns have been explained several times.
We have seen that the park has redundancies. I'm sure that people don't always get to do what they want, and certainly some people will be disappointed with their experience. This is no different from any other holiday; that is not a logical problem with this park but the reality of providing a service to the public, even an expensive one.
On the resetting every day - this doesn't necessarily happen; the characters have arcs, once the arcs are completed they are reset. If a guest interrupts their arc then this is played out until that loop is closed and then they are reset.
I reckon the more you level up, the more goodies get to be used. Like in Zelda, so explosives are another level, and highly controlled.
The reaction of the MiB to the boob was the first overt mention of guest on guest violence. Made me wonder, hosts probably have code to dissuade, diffuse, prevent and in extreme cases intervene in such occurrences.
The reaction of the MiB to the boob was the first overt mention of guest on guest violence. Made me wonder, hosts probably have code to dissuade, diffuse, prevent and in extreme cases intervene in such occurrences.
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