SAS Who Dares Wins. Ch4
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Good episode but pissed they let Statham back in. As has been said, perhaps to break him in the cells, but in real selection this would not happen, the bloke gave up pure and simple.
Dancer bloke was delirious with fatigue at one stage, but pulled through, fair play to him.
MMA man, cool calm and collected. Got to be the favourite.
Financial Analyst guy, dark horse?
Shame Stoner got puffy ankles, gutting for him but better safe than sorry in that situation.
Interesting psychological reaction when "The Mole" gave up, just shows the intensity.....
Dancer bloke was delirious with fatigue at one stage, but pulled through, fair play to him.
MMA man, cool calm and collected. Got to be the favourite.
Financial Analyst guy, dark horse?
Shame Stoner got puffy ankles, gutting for him but better safe than sorry in that situation.
Interesting psychological reaction when "The Mole" gave up, just shows the intensity.....
menousername said:
Why did they decide to cut that young guy who carried that heavy dude on the run? Doesn't make sense how was he the weakest at that stage?
They know he's had some millitary experience, they know he wants to join the RAF as an Officer. As a result they would have been expecting much more from him than he gave. It was right to cut him.I can't believe some of them fell for the mole. I was shouting at the TV when they just gave up. I've really enjoyed the whole mental aspect of the show, and the reaction to the mole was just another level of that.
GTO-3R said:
I was surprised when they let the builder with the shaved head go. He had been at the front all the way through it and would have been good at this final challenge. Bit disappointed they let Statham back in, can only be because they want to rip in to him at the interrogation 
Agree on both points.Surprised they let the dancer guy stay but let the young RAF guy go. I thought both were pretty evenly matched mentally and physically. Sure they might have had higher expectations from the RAF guy, but why should their expectations come in to it? If the guy has been dependable, given it all he's got, made it through each task then why shouldn't he get a shot at the last two tasks?
daddy cool said:
Really pissed off they virtually begged statham to come back. Could understand it if it was just that physically he was struggling, but they liked his attitude (which they had already done with the young lad), but throughout the Evade exercise he was just moaning and saying "we're dead" and if i was his partner i'd have lost my rag. Compare with the other group (of 3) who stuck together and kept the dancer going when he was flagging.
Makes it even more of a shame that they ditched the young lad.
Currently rooting for the MMA guy. Hes quiet, but seems a nice guy that thinks about others before himself.
Team work is what they are looking for. The MMA guy will be the top choice out of all of them. Makes it even more of a shame that they ditched the young lad.
Currently rooting for the MMA guy. Hes quiet, but seems a nice guy that thinks about others before himself.
jammy_basturd said:
Agree on both points.
Surprised they let the dancer guy stay but let the young RAF guy go. I thought both were pretty evenly matched mentally and physically. Sure they might have had higher expectations from the RAF guy, but why should their expectations come in to it? If the guy has been dependable, given it all he's got, made it through each task then why shouldn't he get a shot at the last two tasks?
Maybe they thought he was too young to go through. Or, they've put him up for the real thing whilst taking him out of the limelight seeing as its quiet a secretive service?Surprised they let the dancer guy stay but let the young RAF guy go. I thought both were pretty evenly matched mentally and physically. Sure they might have had higher expectations from the RAF guy, but why should their expectations come in to it? If the guy has been dependable, given it all he's got, made it through each task then why shouldn't he get a shot at the last two tasks?
I think the Belfast boy will win.
jammy_basturd said:
Agree on both points.
Surprised they let the dancer guy stay but let the young RAF guy go. I thought both were pretty evenly matched mentally and physically. Sure they might have had higher expectations from the RAF guy, but why should their expectations come in to it? If the guy has been dependable, given it all he's got, made it through each task then why shouldn't he get a shot at the last two tasks?
I don't think they did believe he'd given it his all, that's why he was binned. Statham has been improving all the while, maybe a leopard doesn't really change it's spots afterall? Surprised they let the dancer guy stay but let the young RAF guy go. I thought both were pretty evenly matched mentally and physically. Sure they might have had higher expectations from the RAF guy, but why should their expectations come in to it? If the guy has been dependable, given it all he's got, made it through each task then why shouldn't he get a shot at the last two tasks?
Suspect they have planned the numbers needed for the final shows, and didn't think that anyone would quit after being captured but before interrogation.
Foxy - fit dude no doubt but was he carrying the same 30 pounds in his pack?
To be honest the tasks did not seem that hard - no one has been seen vomitting, collapsing, fainting, pouring blood out of his boots, etc.
They had 90 mins for the 8 mile run, in my day (infantry, not SF) we had 105 minutes for a 10 mile run, and as well as bergans we carried a rifle and helmet, and did it over a tank training ground with deep mud, and did that after getting punched in the face non-stop for a minute. That was not SF by any means.
I am sure the real thing is significantly harder than shown in the show.
Foxy - fit dude no doubt but was he carrying the same 30 pounds in his pack?
To be honest the tasks did not seem that hard - no one has been seen vomitting, collapsing, fainting, pouring blood out of his boots, etc.
They had 90 mins for the 8 mile run, in my day (infantry, not SF) we had 105 minutes for a 10 mile run, and as well as bergans we carried a rifle and helmet, and did it over a tank training ground with deep mud, and did that after getting punched in the face non-stop for a minute. That was not SF by any means.
I am sure the real thing is significantly harder than shown in the show.
Two things......
1. V surprised the young lad was binned and the dancer kept on. If one of the criteria was "who would I most want by my side in a combat situation, it wouldn't be the dancer, I'm afraid. Do the producers have an influence on selection? Have we been shown all the clues?
2. 'Really wanted Statham to get binned until tonight....when I found out he is the son of a friend I went to school with!! So now.... to my shame, I'm really rooting for him.
However, I've a feeling that they're only going to pass two recruits and my guess (and it is a guess based on no military experience at all) is the MMA guy and the Old Cantab - no one has mentioned this chap in this entire thread, I notice. Perhaps he's too ordinary to be true? They say, "it's always the quiet ones"
1. V surprised the young lad was binned and the dancer kept on. If one of the criteria was "who would I most want by my side in a combat situation, it wouldn't be the dancer, I'm afraid. Do the producers have an influence on selection? Have we been shown all the clues?
2. 'Really wanted Statham to get binned until tonight....when I found out he is the son of a friend I went to school with!! So now.... to my shame, I'm really rooting for him.
However, I've a feeling that they're only going to pass two recruits and my guess (and it is a guess based on no military experience at all) is the MMA guy and the Old Cantab - no one has mentioned this chap in this entire thread, I notice. Perhaps he's too ordinary to be true? They say, "it's always the quiet ones"
Ayahuasca said:
Suspect they have planned the numbers needed for the final shows, and didn't think that anyone would quit after being captured but before interrogation.
Foxy - fit dude no doubt but was he carrying the same 30 pounds in his pack?
To be honest the tasks did not seem that hard - no one has been seen vomitting, collapsing, fainting, pouring blood out of his boots, etc.
They had 90 mins for the 8 mile run, in my day (infantry, not SF) we had 105 minutes for a 10 mile run, and as well as bergans we carried a rifle and helmet, and did it over a tank training ground with deep mud, and did that after getting punched in the face non-stop for a minute. That was not SF by any means.
I am sure the real thing is significantly harder than shown in the show.
What you say is interesting. Two friends, one ex Fusileer and the other, former Signals have told me their basic training was not a lot different to that of this show and the training shown 9 months ago in Commando School. The only thing they have in common was that neither series have showed the mind-numbingly boring attention to detail, personal discipline including, for example, ironing kit until 0400, only to be woken an hour later, to do press ups in some dire location like an estuary, river bed, etc....Foxy - fit dude no doubt but was he carrying the same 30 pounds in his pack?
To be honest the tasks did not seem that hard - no one has been seen vomitting, collapsing, fainting, pouring blood out of his boots, etc.
They had 90 mins for the 8 mile run, in my day (infantry, not SF) we had 105 minutes for a 10 mile run, and as well as bergans we carried a rifle and helmet, and did it over a tank training ground with deep mud, and did that after getting punched in the face non-stop for a minute. That was not SF by any means.
I am sure the real thing is significantly harder than shown in the show.
Ayahuasca said:
Suspect they have planned the numbers needed for the final shows, and didn't think that anyone would quit after being captured but before interrogation.
Foxy - fit dude no doubt but was he carrying the same 30 pounds in his pack?
To be honest the tasks did not seem that hard - no one has been seen vomitting, collapsing, fainting, pouring blood out of his boots, etc.
They had 90 mins for the 8 mile run, in my day (infantry, not SF) we had 105 minutes for a 10 mile run, and as well as bergans we carried a rifle and helmet, and did it over a tank training ground with deep mud, and did that after getting punched in the face non-stop for a minute. That was not SF by any means.
I am sure the real thing is significantly harder than shown in the show.
I have no doubt Foxy wasn't carrying the same weight. In my experience (normal forces not SF obviously) Staff carry a lighter pack with vital stuff only. Foxy - fit dude no doubt but was he carrying the same 30 pounds in his pack?
To be honest the tasks did not seem that hard - no one has been seen vomitting, collapsing, fainting, pouring blood out of his boots, etc.
They had 90 mins for the 8 mile run, in my day (infantry, not SF) we had 105 minutes for a 10 mile run, and as well as bergans we carried a rifle and helmet, and did it over a tank training ground with deep mud, and did that after getting punched in the face non-stop for a minute. That was not SF by any means.
I am sure the real thing is significantly harder than shown in the show.
The real selection is 6 months IIRC, this show is just a few days.
I think basic training is pretty much universal, and this sort of show is nothing like it. Proper basic is very intense as you say, its 24 hrs a day and very tough in every respect. Even in the RN we were doing similar stuff in the Breacon's.
monthefish said:
From the man himself in an interview:
What was the standard of recruits like?
Compared to what I was expecting, it wasn't that high, civvy fit isn't military fit.
Wonder what he was expecting then? Exercise has to be fitted in around work, families etc and most people who keep themselves fit probably only go the gym for not much more than hour a day even if they go 5 or 6 times a week. Even those who do endurance sports like marathon running or triathlon will train for much less time than the military do, and they don't run around with 40 or 50lbs of kit on their backs.What was the standard of recruits like?
Compared to what I was expecting, it wasn't that high, civvy fit isn't military fit.
Ken Sington said:
Wonder what he was expecting then? Exercise has to be fitted in around work, families etc and most people who keep themselves fit probably only go the gym for not much more than hour a day even if they go 5 or 6 times a week. Even those who do endurance sports like marathon running or triathlon will train for much less time than the military do, and they don't run around with 40 or 50lbs of kit on their backs.
A very fair point, used to see the Paras on training around Aldershot regularly and they were always exercising, day in, day out.Makes a lot of sense of course, but in the civvy world people can't dedicate hours and day to exercise (with a few exceptions, I guess, of jobs that are physically hard).
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Ken Sington said:
monthefish said:
From the man himself in an interview:
What was the standard of recruits like?
Compared to what I was expecting, it wasn't that high, civvy fit isn't military fit.
Wonder what he was expecting then? Exercise has to be fitted in around work, families etc and most people who keep themselves fit probably only go the gym for not much more than hour a day even if they go 5 or 6 times a week. Even those who do endurance sports like marathon running or triathlon will train for much less time than the military do, and they don't run around with 40 or 50lbs of kit on their backs.What was the standard of recruits like?
Compared to what I was expecting, it wasn't that high, civvy fit isn't military fit.
Ayahuasca said:
Ken Sington said:
monthefish said:
From the man himself in an interview:
What was the standard of recruits like?
Compared to what I was expecting, it wasn't that high, civvy fit isn't military fit.
Wonder what he was expecting then? Exercise has to be fitted in around work, families etc and most people who keep themselves fit probably only go the gym for not much more than hour a day even if they go 5 or 6 times a week. Even those who do endurance sports like marathon running or triathlon will train for much less time than the military do, and they don't run around with 40 or 50lbs of kit on their backs.What was the standard of recruits like?
Compared to what I was expecting, it wasn't that high, civvy fit isn't military fit.
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