SAS Who Dares Wins. Ch4

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DoubleSix

11,719 posts

177 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Understood, useful in the rank and file no doubt...

Do you think these guys were really looking for that though?? Perhaps they were but I thought they were probing for something else. Could be wrong.

5150

689 posts

256 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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I'd say so, yes. To add, they did give them the option to refuse to fight, so perhaps that gave them another avenue to delve into.

I think the story one of the staff mentioned regarding Iraq, ties in with what they were trying to achieve. Retreat and end up exposed, or move forward and take the fight to them, despite every bone in your body thinking 'this is nuts!?'

I'm sure we both agree, they're a cut above in that department. Impressive stuff.


FredClogs

14,041 posts

162 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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I've never been in the army but as I understand it "Milling" is not about boxing or showing any sort of skill or knoweldge in sports combat, as the gentlemen above says it's about showing you have the charachter to stand and trade, short of a bloody nose it's also a lot safer than doing 3 minute rounds where one guy is dancing around like he's Ali and the other guy is winding up great big leaping punches like he's Prince Nazeem, no one really gets hurt Milling it's how most traditional Thai places start the 5 and 6 year olds.

DoubleSix

11,719 posts

177 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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FredClogs said:
I've never been in the army but as I understand it "Milling" is not about boxing or showing any sort of skill or knoweldge in sports combat, as the gentlemen above says it's about showing you have the charachter to stand and trade, short of a bloody nose it's also a lot safer than doing 3 minute rounds where one guy is dancing around like he's Ali and the other guy is winding up great big leaping punches like he's Prince Nazeem, no one really gets hurt Milling it's how most traditional Thai places start the 5 and 6 year olds.
Understand all that and don't disagree in that context.

I just thought these SAS chaps were trying to uncover other traits, namely the loss of control; the frothy mouthed swirly eyed types that go a little loco if you know what I mean.

SAS appear to be small units who answer only to each other out in the field so not sure the whole milling process is applicable in that context.

Just my 2 pence.


Ilovejapcrap

3,286 posts

113 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Just watched on 4Od episode 2

No.11 the farther who lost his son, very very sad.

what a charming man he was and a great view on life / the world he had.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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In milling, any attempt to box is seen as sissy.

The idea is to punch someone in the face non-stop for a minute, and get punched in the face non-stop for a minute.

I did it as part of P Company years ago, after a half a minute the hardest thing was keeping the arms moving... felt like they were made of lead. My nose was never the same again...

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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V8mate said:
Having said that, there was a serving Para in my gym a while back who was comfortably pushing 120kg seated military press for reps; had shoulders like those 5 litre mini beer kegs hehe
Machine press?

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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Not very impressed by the part where they made the contestants spend some time at night in the sticks.. the one place you definitely do not want to sleep is against the base of a tree!

dub16v

1,126 posts

142 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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Ayahuasca said:
Not very impressed by the part where they made the contestants spend some time at night in the sticks.. the one place you definitely do not want to sleep is against the base of a tree!
I thought this too. That space will likely be riddled with spiders (probably tarantula), ants and other nasties.

We were in the Peruvian jungle back in the summer and did both a day and night time walk...the number of tarantula out for a snack was a little disconcerting and I almost certainly wouldn't want to sleep next to a large tree with the likelihood of one appearing from a root hole!

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Friday 4th November 2016
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dub16v said:
Ayahuasca said:
Not very impressed by the part where they made the contestants spend some time at night in the sticks.. the one place you definitely do not want to sleep is against the base of a tree!
I thought this too. That space will likely be riddled with spiders (probably tarantula), ants and other nasties.

We were in the Peruvian jungle back in the summer and did both a day and night time walk...the number of tarantula out for a snack was a little disconcerting and I almost certainly wouldn't want to sleep next to a large tree with the likelihood of one appearing from a root hole!
Exactly! Lots of nasties live around tree roots. Spiders, scorpions, snakes, bullet ants, centipedes... far better to clear a spot away from the base.

amgmcqueen

3,354 posts

151 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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Did anyone watch the finale? Very interesting seeing the various interrogation techniques used although very distressing.

boyse7en

6,758 posts

166 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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ash73 said:
I enjoyed it but I was confused about the objective, the guy that was all matey and told them everything won, but by the end they knew everything about him; I don't get that.
I think it was about limiting information to what you could tell with no, or few, ramifications, and stuff that you wanted to keep secret.
Also, it was about building a rapport of some sort with the interrogator so they didn't just shoot you for being a pain in the arse.

DoubleSix

11,719 posts

177 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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He gave away non-mission critical information and stayed alive. They said repeatedly that the aim should be to buy time and avoid antagonising your captors.


V8mate

45,899 posts

190 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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ash73 said:
I enjoyed it but I was confused about the objective, the guy that was all matey and told them everything won, but by the end they knew everything about him; I don't get that.
Not quite true. He wasn't stroppy or defensive or aggressive. He was humble and talkative, but shared nothing of any value. They were completely unable to rile him.

I daresay having sat in police interview rooms on many occasions throughout his life prepared him perfectly for such a cool, manipulative approach.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

162 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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So is he in the SAS now or what?

V8mate

45,899 posts

190 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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FredClogs said:
So is he in the SAS now or what?
Of course. 8 days from civvy street to fully trained trooper. biggrin

I thought it was a shame that he didn't get to see all the other contestants at the end. They just opened the gate and told him the airport was 120 miles 'that way' and left him to it. wink
Who wants to win a game show all on their tod?

pc.iow

1,879 posts

204 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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FredClogs said:
So is he in the SAS now or what?
Yes, right now!
Slightly OT but i was given this by someone i've been working for doing a refurbishment on his house.

I didn't question him or call his bluff, cos ya never know.

JQ

5,756 posts

180 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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pc.iow said:
I didn't question him or call his bluff, cos ya never know.
That's his precursor to telling you he has no intention of paying your invoice wink

LordHaveMurci

12,046 posts

170 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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pc.iow said:
Yes, right now!
Slightly OT but i was given this by someone i've been working for doing a refurbishment on his house.

I didn't question him or call his bluff, cos ya never know.
You're not painting his boat shed are you?!

The Don of Croy

6,003 posts

160 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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LordHaveMurci said:
pc.iow said:
Yes, right now!
Slightly OT but i was given this by someone i've been working for doing a refurbishment on his house.

I didn't question him or call his bluff, cos ya never know.
You're not painting his boat shed are you?!
Do much work in Hearford? Hierford? Heerford?

I rather like the low key ending - no fireworks, no palava, just a solid handshake from the 'blokes' and shown the door. Nicely done.