Deutschland 83, 86 & 89

[ajprice]

The way I saw it was the General shot himself, the son came home, would find out he had AIDS and eventually dies.

[andrewparker]

I had assumed that Alex had got home, saw his Dad's bag in the hallway, and knowing it would have a gun in it, shot himself. He was so gutted when he found out Martin was a spy, it emphasised all his own failures and to top if off he probably had AIDS.

[Iva Barchetta]

I knew Schweppensteppe was going to be Martin's father by the time mother said it.So obvious.
I'm not sure who shot themselves either.

[Moominator]

Iva Barchetta said:

I knew Schweppensteppe was going to be Martin's father by the time mother said it.So obvious.
I'm not sure who shot themselves either.

The father. The Lad was too daft to even tie his shoe laces. Agree?

[bracken78]

Working on the basis that an important army chap (Linda's boss) shot himself I think the General also shot himself. No one really cares if Alex had shot himself... would they?

[Disastrous]

It was obviously left deliberately ambiguous but I would question the use of the shot of Alex returning home (after a conversation where the nurse explicitly lays down the fact that there is no cure for AIDS) and looking meaningfully at his dad's briefcase.

Plus he has form for being daft with a pistol. Plus he's an emotional basket-case.

But the I agree Herr General had a difficult day as well but on balance, I think I'd probably rather a st day at the office than AIDS.

Maybe they put their heads together for a twofer?


Impossible to say really, unless they get a second series.

[DoubleSix]

For all in all it's silliness two things jump out for me...

The young lead is very good, a compelling talent.

The wardrobe and set design was spot on.

[Iva Barchetta]

So how did Stamm get out of the base,in a car ?

Security lacking a little.

[Munter]

Iva Barchetta said:

So how did Stamm get out of the base,in a car ?

Security lacking a little.

He had a fight with a guy and jumped a 6 ft brick wall at the back of the studios...sorry. Army base.

[over_the_hill]

Munter said:

Iva Barchetta said:

So how did Stamm get out of the base,in a car ?

Security lacking a little.

He had a fight with a guy and jumped a 6 ft brick wall at the back of the studios...sorry. Army base.

and then immediately found a car that was open with the keys left in

[KTF]

The last episode seemed very rushed as there were lots of unanswered questions. I can see that they wanted to keep it open for a second season but this was a bit too open. Disappointing compared to the previous episodes.

[anonymous-user]

over_the_hill said:

Munter said:

Iva Barchetta said:

So how did Stamm get out of the base,in a car ?

Security lacking a little.

He had a fight with a guy and jumped a 6 ft brick wall at the back of the studios...sorry. Army base.

and then immediately found a car that was open with the keys left in

Yes, as documentaries go it was very poor.

[anonymous-user]

DoubleSix said:

For all in all it's silliness two things jump out for me...

The young lead is very good, a compelling talent.

The wardrobe and set design was spot on.

Jonathon Foreigner also appears to like his 80s classic cars.....tidy example of an unmolested Mk2 Granny Estate last night.
And the Iltis Owners Club has had a starring role throughout. Not a G-wagen in sight!

[over_the_hill]

Disastrous said:

It was obviously left deliberately ambiguous but I would question the use of the shot of Alex returning home (after a conversation where the nurse explicitly lays down the fact that there is no cure for AIDS) and looking meaningfully at his dad's briefcase.

Plus he has form for being daft with a pistol. Plus he's an emotional basket-case.

But the I agree Herr General had a difficult day as well but on balance, I think I'd probably rather a st day at the office than AIDS.

Maybe they put their heads together for a twofer?


Impossible to say really, unless they get a second series.

But looking at the wider picture he already has a very strained relationship with Alex, and after his antics joining the peace protesters at the gate Edel will almost certainly have to sling him in the slammer.
His Aide-de-Camp has turned out to be a spy and he didn't spot it
His daughter may or may not have been having a relationship with the spy (he knows they were kissing) and she's now off to Berlin
And to cap it all his wife has left him

[anonymous-user]

I'm stumped as to when series 2 will be set, and who'll return to be in it.
Martin and Alex, although being key to this series, have both been compromised so can't seriously return in anything like a similar role.

[Iva Barchetta]

Series 2 will be,after the wall comes down with Martin playing happy families.....

Deutschland 95.

Maybe.

[anonymous-user]

Maybe it'll be Deutschland 63.....when Schweppensteppenwolf was Martin's age and it was all kicking off.....

[Disastrous]

over_the_hill said:

Disastrous said:

It was obviously left deliberately ambiguous but I would question the use of the shot of Alex returning home (after a conversation where the nurse explicitly lays down the fact that there is no cure for AIDS) and looking meaningfully at his dad's briefcase.

Plus he has form for being daft with a pistol. Plus he's an emotional basket-case.

But the I agree Herr General had a difficult day as well but on balance, I think I'd probably rather a st day at the office than AIDS.

Maybe they put their heads together for a twofer?


Impossible to say really, unless they get a second series.

But looking at the wider picture he already has a very strained relationship with Alex, and after his antics joining the peace protesters at the gate Edel will almost certainly have to sling him in the slammer.
His Aide-de-Camp has turned out to be a spy and he didn't spot it
His daughter may or may not have been having a relationship with the spy (he knows they were kissing) and she's now off to Berlin
And to cap it all his wife has left him

That's what I mean - impossible to say and left deliberately so by the makers.

Personally, no amount of st day would be worse than getting AIDS but appreciate the General's mileage may vary.

As an aside, from a film-school perspective, the shot of Alex in the hall establishes him as being inside. The next shot being an exterior looking at the house suggests that we are outside hearing something happening inside, which would point to Alex, were it not for the fact that we had already had a shot of the general inside, staring out the window. I thought the camera was actually going to move back until we saw his heels swinging from a tree as Alex shot himself inside, making it a tragic end for the Edel men all round.

The fact that they established them both indoors and moved to the exterior for the gunshot suggests as attempt to be deliberately ambiguous so there is no right answer, I think.

[Iva Barchetta]

Crossflow Kid said:

Maybe it'll be Deutschland 63.....when Schweppensteppenwolf was Martin's age and it was all kicking off.....

Good thinking....a prequel.

[Jonesy23]

Alex was shot by his father for being an annoying emo tt. Maybe. The ambiguity in that bit leaves a lot of murder/suicide possibilities.

Felt a bit like they had tied the plot in knots so just forgot most of it to jump to the end. So jumped pretty much straight from the brink of nuclear conflict to everything being fine via a quick montage. And it looked like being a lying intelligence agent stoking the whole thing along had no consequences?

Plus where did the whole thing of Ms Rauch going off to Africa come from. Assume there was some historical background to it but to me it seemed a bit abruptly introduced.

Music was Ok though. The incidental music in the last episode or two felt very Depeche Mode synth to me for some reason?