Matt LeBlanc announced as Top Gear co-presenter
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r11co said:
deadslow said:
....after he made his own position utterly untenable by assaulting a producer?
That is a matter of opinion. The entire course of events was co-incidentally a handy way to fatally weaken Clarkson's bargaining position.When the dust settles on all of this I'm betting my house the BBC will be the big losers.
Edited by r11co on Thursday 11th February 15:34
deadslow said:
r11co said:
deadslow said:
....after he made his own position utterly untenable by assaulting a producer?
That is a matter of opinion. The entire course of events was co-incidentally a handy way to fatally weaken Clarkson's bargaining position.When the dust settles on all of this I'm betting my house the BBC will be the big losers.
Edited by r11co on Thursday 11th February 15:34
(For the second time) I am not saying it was a conspiracy, but it could have been played differently had they wanted to.
Scuffers said:
Thanks Scuffers. A welcome, entertaining and irrelevant diversion. r11co said:
Had the incident been handled differently then his opinion would probably have been different too, the book would probably never have been written, and we would not even have got to hear about it as it wouldn't have been newsworthy.
So what your saying, is, if things were different, then things would have been different...great analysis.Edited by r11co on Thursday 11th February 16:51
Much as you try to play it down, a celebrity punching a member of staff is always going to be newsworthy and will always warrant an internal investigation.
anonymous said:
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(For the third time) I am not saying there was a conspiracy. There was however an agenda to get rid of Clarkson, which had to be done in a way that avoided a backlash against the BBC. The assault provided it on a plate.If there was no agenda to get rid of him the incident would never have been heard of, or spun completely differently.
I repeat - Gillian Anderson, Christian Bale, and now John Prescott!
SPMX5 said:
Much as you try to play it down, a celebrity punching a member of staff is always going to be newsworthy and will always warrant an internal investigation.
Not if it isn't leaked to the media.limpsfield said:
Scuffers said:
Thanks Scuffers. A welcome, entertaining and irrelevant diversion. outcome? Nothing, some humour, that's it.
Clarkson allegedly punches somebody in private not on TV, end of contract persona non-grata etc.
r11co said:
Yeah, right, whatever..
I suspect your statement is an oversimplification, and in reality the full circumstances of the event would be looked at before a decision was made either way.
Only if someone punched me first.I suspect your statement is an oversimplification, and in reality the full circumstances of the event would be looked at before a decision was made either way.
The canteen running out of food? Instant dismissal, no questions asked
anonymous said:
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So, the 'catch a teacher by the toe' leak was a co-incidence, and Somi Guha De Souza's attempt to bring legal action for allegedly being offended by the 'slope' comment wasn't an overreaction prompted by her luvvie chums?She admitted that she hadn't even seen the program, and only thought about bringing the case after someone brought it to her attention.
No agenda there at all.
Edited by r11co on Thursday 11th February 18:28
r11co said:
So, the 'catch a teacher by the toe' leak was a co-incidence, ans Somi Guha De Souza's attempt to bring legal action for allegedly being offended by the 'slope' comment wasn't an overreaction prompted by her luvvie chums?
No agenda there at all....
beggs the question, who was it who went through the outtakes and leaked said bit of video and why?No agenda there at all....
r11co said:
unrepentant said:
You punch a colleague you get fired, period.
If you believe that then you have a very simplistic world view.Edited by r11co on Thursday 11th February 16:51
Why do you need to edit every post you make? Is it because you're a bit of a thickie?
unrepentant said:
If you punch a colleague you get fired in any civilized workplace, period.
You are wrong. I can cite an example from my previous workplace that proves so (identities withheld to protect the protagonists).Chap A strides up to chap B and lamps him squarely on the jaw in front of several witnesses. Reason for punch is that A had just discovered B had tried it on with his missus at a works night out.
No dismissals, no discipline, not even a formal meeting with the boss, who was a bit embarrassed because he knew about it already - turned out chap A was probably the last to find out.
Nothing ever came of the incident, except that chap B moved on a few months later.
As I said - all circumstances taken into consideration (and no time wasted afterwards either).
anonymous said:
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It's irrelevant. The leak wasn't a screen grab taken on a camera phone - it was HD quality rushes from the editing suite, meaning that the person who leaked was working for the BBC and therefor either committed a breach of contract because it was copyright material, or they had the authority to distribute it in which case the question is why would someone at that level be leaking the out-take?The incident proves at the very least that the BBC can handle these matters privately and internally if they so desire.
anonymous said:
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You are missing my point entirely. Even disregarding how the leak happened, if the BBC had wanted to back Clarkson over the incident they could have made a big show of disciplining said individual who leaked the film if it was one of their own, or taken legal action against the third party production company for breaching BBC copyright, or whatever remedy they could choose to take.Even the threat of legal action would have shown they were backing their man.
If, on the other hand, Clarkson was being hung out to dry then the issue is clear, If they were just mismanaging the situation then it was equally as bad.
r11co said:
anonymous said:
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(For the third time) I am not saying there was a conspiracy. There was however an agenda to get rid of Clarkson, which had to be done in a way that avoided a backlash against the BBC. The assault provided it on a plate.If there was no agenda to get rid of him the incident would never have been heard of, or spun completely differently.
I repeat - Gillian Anderson, Christian Bale, and now John Prescott!
SPMX5 said:
Much as you try to play it down, a celebrity punching a member of staff is always going to be newsworthy and will always warrant an internal investigation.
Not if it isn't leaked to the media.Many many years ago a company I'd worked for for years attempted to sack me. The 'offence' was 'Gross misconduct by misuse of company email and internet'. This transpired to be using work internet and email to Christmas shop with, over the dead period before said time.
IF they had succeeded, a long term employee would have been sacked, legitimately, with no come back. I knew the wrap was BS, as did a 'friend' in IT there. With inside knowledge I managed to establish that virtually everyone in the building had been doing the same, and some much much worse - turning a sacking in to me demonstrating they were attempting to constructively dismiss me.
Clarkson won't have had the same luxury. Punching someone is that bit more black and white. However, if they didn't want him gone this would have pretty quickly been 'buried'....
Edited by Fermit The Krog on Thursday 11th February 19:33
anonymous said:
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Irrelevant either way. Leak happened, how doesn't matter, except that it couldn't have been by a third party not involved with either Beeb or production company as it was a first generation copy.BBC had remedies to counter the implications of the contents of leak. Remedies not taken.
Intentional or mismanagement. Doesn't matter which. One of their 'stars' smeared in the media as a result.
Edited by r11co on Thursday 11th February 19:36
Koofler said:
theboyfold said:
Here is the new guy's showreel. Not terrible, I'm sure with coaching and a decent crew around him he'll do OK
https://youtu.be/GPzkTKX_EXI
Actually, I quite like his style, going by that. A bit cheeky chappy; seems to have a good sense of humour. Looks promising.https://youtu.be/GPzkTKX_EXI
But not sure about Eddie "I ran an F1 team" Jordon though... He has the presence of a dead squid.
Rory Reid I think will do great. I've been watching his Recombu series on YouTube for several months now and I think he's got real potential. I was amazed he only got 70k views on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd_6P_AQj6U
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