Jason Bourne: Bourne 5
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louiebaby said:
Waiting for responses to this thread about the film before committing to a night out at the cinema. Ideally, some idea of how much of a factor the above is will be helpful. Ta!
Saw it this afternoon.It was OK. Not terrible (although the plot had numerous stupid holes), but not great.
The random waving of the camera around was a little tiresome, especially when trying to read text messages on phones held at an angle. However that is not the 'bad' part of the film, just that the whole thing was a bit pointless.
Far more entertaining and worthy of the ticket price was the 5 minute Minions short at the beginning of SLoP which I saw on Friday.
If you Google "Jason Bourne shaking camera" you will see that Paul Greengrass's style is becoming more exaggerated and disliked by many. There was a bit of it Supremacy, Ultimatum and Captain Phillips, where the shakey camera added something. But it was stupidly OTT in Jason Bourne IMHO.
Saw this last night, fairly enjoyable, but predictable. The fight and chase scenes are very good, but as you'd expect really. The Vegas chase scene was crazy.
The camera shaking was very annoying, not a fan, and as someone else mentioned, made it really difficult to read messages on the phones.
Overall, worth a watch, ok, but nothing special 6.5/10.
The camera shaking was very annoying, not a fan, and as someone else mentioned, made it really difficult to read messages on the phones.
Overall, worth a watch, ok, but nothing special 6.5/10.
I too saw this yesterday, and will agree with what many have said - enjoyable action film, with an annoying amount of Paul Greengrass shakey-camera work doing its usual thing.
However - What I at least appreciated was how the film managed to survive without an underlying love story - something of a rarity in most modern films (in my experience at least)
However - What I at least appreciated was how the film managed to survive without an underlying love story - something of a rarity in most modern films (in my experience at least)
This was the most anticipated film of the summer for me. This made it all the more disappointing. The car chase seemed to ignore physics and was Bond like in its execution- the Bourne films were always more gritty and realistic. They jettisoned this approach for spectacle. No memorable fight scene apart from the truncated and dour bit at the end. Too much computer work in a situation room where they are tracking him, seen it all before in Bourne Ultimatum where it was executed better.
They had years to come up with a script which should have been great, especially given events concerning Assange, Snowdon and the like. It puzzles me that the script would have been read and re read and worked on by, you would imagine, some top talent. How it got made as was is baffling ...
They had years to come up with a script which should have been great, especially given events concerning Assange, Snowdon and the like. It puzzles me that the script would have been read and re read and worked on by, you would imagine, some top talent. How it got made as was is baffling ...
copying my comments from the main films thread, was disappointed:
"it was as if they decided on the sequel, filmed the action scenes and then realised they needed a plot and excuse why Bourne had to go off the rails again, and discover something new in those Treadstone files that was strangely missed in the first 3.
Even the much lauded action/chase scenes got boring and unoriginal - oh look he's driving on the wrong side of the road into oncoming traffic, never seen that before.
Fight scenes are more slugfests with none of the biro weapon/jump through window from opposite building originality or tension of the early films
All that said it is reasonable popcorn movie, just disappointing for the Bourne franchise which had more intelligence than that
5/10
"it was as if they decided on the sequel, filmed the action scenes and then realised they needed a plot and excuse why Bourne had to go off the rails again, and discover something new in those Treadstone files that was strangely missed in the first 3.
Even the much lauded action/chase scenes got boring and unoriginal - oh look he's driving on the wrong side of the road into oncoming traffic, never seen that before.
Fight scenes are more slugfests with none of the biro weapon/jump through window from opposite building originality or tension of the early films
All that said it is reasonable popcorn movie, just disappointing for the Bourne franchise which had more intelligence than that
5/10
It was an enjoyable watch on the whole but I have to say the shaky-jerky cam action got a bit too much to watch. I find that stuff difficult to look at at times.
Also.... to me the film felt like there wasn't really much of a plot or an end goal. Matt Damon was just doing stuff and some people got killed. I don't know how to explain it really, it even felt like Damon didn't know what he was supposed to be doing in the movie and was just going through the motions.
Oh... and if you hate CSI style computer nonsense, just beware.
I did watch Batfleck vs Superman the day before.... Jesus, that movie was far too long and over indulgent.
Also.... to me the film felt like there wasn't really much of a plot or an end goal. Matt Damon was just doing stuff and some people got killed. I don't know how to explain it really, it even felt like Damon didn't know what he was supposed to be doing in the movie and was just going through the motions.
Oh... and if you hate CSI style computer nonsense, just beware.
I did watch Batfleck vs Superman the day before.... Jesus, that movie was far too long and over indulgent.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Monday 1st August 14:37
Saw this at the weekend and have to agree with a lot of the points.
1) Shaky cam, used sparingly I thing it can add some tension to a scene but this gave a me a headache! Why the hell do you need to shaky cam a phone screen?
2) Plot was a re-tread of stuff done before.
3) The action was pretty decent but not up to the usual standard of the previous Bourne films.
4) The unusual fight choreography of the previous films was missing. The fights were OK but not as good or inventive as what we have seen before.
So basically if it was to be judged on it's own, it's not a bad film (barring the overuse of shaky cam) but as part of the Bourne series, it really doesn't measure up.
6/10
1) Shaky cam, used sparingly I thing it can add some tension to a scene but this gave a me a headache! Why the hell do you need to shaky cam a phone screen?
2) Plot was a re-tread of stuff done before.
3) The action was pretty decent but not up to the usual standard of the previous Bourne films.
4) The unusual fight choreography of the previous films was missing. The fights were OK but not as good or inventive as what we have seen before.
So basically if it was to be judged on it's own, it's not a bad film (barring the overuse of shaky cam) but as part of the Bourne series, it really doesn't measure up.
6/10
Europa1 said:
I was astonished to hear on the Today programme this morning that Jason Bourne speaks a total of 288 words in the whole film - can that be right?!
A man of few words 
To be frank the plot is a pretty thin re-tread of what has gone before and what there is of it is mainly setup by the other characters in the film talking in "tense" meetings about Bourne or in situation rooms looking at computer screen CCTV or Satellite feeds as they try to capture him. Bourne spends the majority of his screen time alternating between moodily brooding\sulking or kicking arse.
Went to see this the other night.
I enjoyed it - not quite up there with the others in the series, and the shaky camera when trying to read a text was annoying.
I haven't read all of the Bourne books (only the Ludlum ones) - does this, or Legacy follow ant of the non-Ludlum novels?
I'd give it a 7/10.
I enjoyed it - not quite up there with the others in the series, and the shaky camera when trying to read a text was annoying.
I haven't read all of the Bourne books (only the Ludlum ones) - does this, or Legacy follow ant of the non-Ludlum novels?
I'd give it a 7/10.
soad said:
Will there be another film? Robert Ludlum only wrote three books iirc, another chap wrote a few more. I tried reading one, but way too long.
The ending makes me wonder, is all. But Hollywood made a fortune so far.
The books are very, very different to the films! He's a college professor is most of it.The ending makes me wonder, is all. But Hollywood made a fortune so far.
Also to add to the general feedback of the film 6/10. Started strong, fell apart in the second half.
Guvernator said:
Sonic said:
Not seen this, but was anticipating it being film of the year for me, and it's not sounding good 
I might just wait until it's out on bluray...
It's not a bad film but definitely not as good as I was expecting or indeed up to the high standard of the other 3.I might just wait until it's out on bluray...
daddy cool said:
Im looking forward to "Bourne Free" where Matt Damon realises he was a young lion that was recruited by the CIA, and starts having flashbacks to the Serengeti that show him hunting gazelle, sleeping for the next 2 days, and vigorously humping all the females in his pride (one of which turns out to be Julia Stiles).
Eta. Best thing about the movie was the familiar Moby track at the end. I loved B1 mainly cos it was pretty faithful to the original book. Didn't even mind the JR one - at least it had a decent plot in it. Unlike this one. And doesn't Tommy Lee Jones look at least a decade older than 69?
Edited by rubystone on Thursday 4th August 16:20
languagetimothy said:
I saw it monday - ok for entertainment including a couple of silly car chases but it did miss on plot compared to the the previous films. Yep TLJ looking natural rather than the normal hollywood plastic.good for him.
but the outro music? sorry, dont mind some of the stuff that Moby has done but chord progression of Bm A Em thats just lazy and suprising given his talent. - Lyrics include "Night" "Light" "Fight" - good grief - still suppose he got a few quid for it without too much effort.
You've missed my point. The movie is lazy. The Moby theme is like the Bond tune - a part of the franchise. It's not about whether it's good or not, it's about the motif it brings.but the outro music? sorry, dont mind some of the stuff that Moby has done but chord progression of Bm A Em thats just lazy and suprising given his talent. - Lyrics include "Night" "Light" "Fight" - good grief - still suppose he got a few quid for it without too much effort.
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