Royal Navy School

[DoubleD]

It's easy to judge these guys for grassing, but when youve done military training you know how difficult it was for the older guy. He's put in an awful situation that's difficult to understand for a civvie

[JMGS4]

Saw this for the first time last night... all I can say is they seem to have it VERY easy.... I joined (the oldest service.. the ARMY!) over 50 years ago aged a good bit younger than any of the shown pansies. They wouldn't have survived the first day of my training..... FFS some WO calling his mother!!! what a bunch of pampered wkers... and as for that horrible fat (female?) PO attempting to teach them to march... she couldn't even march herself!!!! No wonder with all that excess fat...she cannot have EVER passed a fitness test!

[andymc]

Could any ex forces guys tell me if the "snitch" would be shunned from now on?

[Langweilig]

andymc said:

i thought it was a snitchy thing to do

I used to work alongside a man who was ex-RN. He served on HMS Dainty and was one very jealous individual who would snitch on anyone at the drop of a hat.

[HTP99]

andymc said:

i thought it was a snitchy thing to do

It was but it was also gross and went way beyond acceptable, I can kind of see why he was dobbed in.

[anonymous-user]

andymc said:

Could any ex forces guys tell me if the "snitch" would be shunned from now on?

That all depends on whether the outcome would be for the good of the team or simply a case of dropping someone in it.
During basic training recruits are often deliberately given moral dilemmas (either individually or as a group) to test their character and integrity in deciding at when to take one for the team and when to stand tall.

[anonymous-user]

JMGS4 said:

Saw this for the first time last night... all I can say is they seem to have it VERY easy.... I joined (the oldest service.. the ARMY!) over 50 years ago aged a good bit younger than any of the shown pansies. They wouldn't have survived the first day of my training..... FFS some WO calling his mother!!! what a bunch of pampered wkers... and as for that horrible fat (female?) PO attempting to teach them to march... she couldn't even march herself!!!! No wonder with all that excess fat...she cannot have EVER passed a fitness test!

I'm guessing the blankets weren't itchy enough too and they weren't whitewashing enough coal?
Hate to break it to you but it's 2016 and things have moved on a bit. The military now employs and trains people, not meat.

JMGS4, yesterday.....

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 23 February 09:19

[JMGS4]

Crossflow Kid said:

JMGS4 said:

Saw this for the first time last night... all I can say is they seem to have it VERY easy.... I joined (the oldest service.. the ARMY!) over 50 years ago aged a good bit younger than any of the shown pansies. They wouldn't have survived the first day of my training..... FFS some WO calling his mother!!! what a bunch of pampered wkers... and as for that horrible fat (female?) PO attempting to teach them to march... she couldn't even march herself!!!! No wonder with all that excess fat...she cannot have EVER passed a fitness test!

I'm guessing the blankets weren't itchy enough too?

JMGS4, yesterday.....

Nor the shirts! Where did you get my photo?

[Don Veloci]

I don't know how the navy operates but was there not scope to sort out between themselves?
Just picking up of the officer talking to the class leader asking "Do I need to know...". I'm thinking as class leader I'd be saying no, we'll sort it ourselves.
Then as class leader get the manky youngster to clean the mess and have the class agree that anything else of that kind happening will be getting escalated.

[anonymous-user]

JMGS4 said:

Nor the shirts! Where did you get my photo?

I just googled "Joined the Army, realised what a huge mistake it was but doggedly refused to accept that both the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force have it so much better, treating their people like actual human beings, and dismiss their better lifestyle as being "a bit soft" even though any idiot can see the benefits"

[anonymous-user]

Don Veloci said:

I don't know how the navy operates but was there not scope to sort out between themselves?
Just picking up of the officer talking to the class leader asking "Do I need to know...". I'm thinking as class leader I'd be saying no, we'll sort it ourselves.
Then as class leader get the manky youngster to clean the mess and have the class agree that anything else of that kind happening will be getting escalated.

My guess is there was a bit of history to it all.....

[0000]

I was a bit surprised it was escalated so far up the chain - can't really give the class leader too much grief for that when it's exactly what everyone else above him did. Calling the kid's mother... and telling the story on national TV... the whole thing seemed handled badly but once the snitch (not that I blame him too much) had squealed it was only going to snowball.

24 months before reapplying seemed harsh, I'd have thought holding him back for the next class after the current one was complete would've been sufficient.

[FiF]

People are calling the class leader a snitch, but you could see him battling with the position he was put in. It's the problem that comes with seniority, there's a line and you have to be prepared to step away and above.

Having made that decision to step up, then he had the choice to be straight and report what happened, or take the hint from the chief and sort it in house. There will have been a lot not shown and based on what was screened it's difficult to know the absolutely correct action. Clearly there was a lot of horseplay going on, there always is, should the class leader have stepped up, got control , read riot act and sorted it. Then when the chief asked he could have reported that already dealt with, but that's a big step to take for someone new to 'command'. If the behaviour had got out of his 'control' despite efforts then he was right to report it, as it was over the line by a long way.

Stewart will have had words of advice on alternative approaches.

[LordHaveMurci]

0000 said:

I was a bit surprised it was escalated so far up the chain - can't really give the class leader too much grief for that when it's exactly what everyone else above him did. Calling the kid's mother... and telling the story on national TV... the whole thing seemed handled badly but once the snitch (not that I blame him too much) had squealed it was only going to snowball.

24 months before reapplying seemed harsh, I'd have thought holding him back for the next class after the current one was complete would've been sufficient.

I don't think the 24mth waiting period was a punishment, more time for him to mature enough to try again.

It was reduced to 12mths anyway after he wrote an apology letter.

[WinstonWolf]

For me the correct solution was for the young lad to sleep on *that* pillow for the rest of his training and to carry the nickname wkpillow for the rest of his service life.

Snitching makes me uncomfortable...

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

For me the correct solution was for the young lad to sleep on *that* pillow for the rest of his training

What?! And invoke the wrath of the Health and Safety Police?

[CalNaughtonJnr]

I'm so glad this thread has maintained a level of dignity and not mentioned anything about dishonourable discharges or able se(a)men!

[marcosgt]

98elise said:

Calza said:

Catching up on this and was thinking the same, why are so many of the instructors fat?

Having spent a decade in the RN I feel qualified to answer.....its beer.

On a ship the mess is just beds and a bar. The bar is very cheap, however you don't pay for beer you just add it to your tab. When you get paid your bar bill is deducted from your pay.

When you get to a port you head for the nearest bar and drink beer. If you don't pick up a woman then you drink more beer. The next day you get up with a hangover, have a fried breakfast and start the same cycle.

Sounds exactly like my mate's experience and he was in for over 30 years.

M.

[andymc]

Should have gave him a "code red", copyright A Few Good Men

[LordHaveMurci]

andymc said:

Should have gave him a "code red", copyright A Few Good Men

'You want answers?'