Top Gear 2016 Official TV show thread *contains spoilers*
Discussion
If there's any truth in the James Martin rumours, it proves the BBC do not understand why Evans didn't work. It also shows that nobody among the BBC executives is into cars.
There is a difference between being a car enthusiast, and being an authority on them. Evans was a car enthusiast, but had no foundation on which to judge them. Clarkson, Hammond and May would regularly and - I suspect - deliberately inspire authority by going off on geeky tangents, and always dropping hints to give the audience confidence they knew what they were talking about.
Evans' opinion counted for nothing. He might own Ferraris and McLarens so can tell you they're really fast, but when Clarkson reviewed a car you had the perspective that a long history of reviewing Vauxhall Vectras and Kia Sportages gives.
Compare an Evans review with the lighthearted Smith and Sniff YouTube reviews by 5th Gear's Jonny Smith and Richard 'Sniff Petrol' Porter. They're enjoyable because they both know their stuff.
Basically, Evans failed to convince the audience that he knew what he was talking about. MLB and Rory succeeded because they did. It makes no difference whether the viewer is a car person. Even a casual viewer will quickly recognise when somebody is out of their depth.
There is a difference between being a car enthusiast, and being an authority on them. Evans was a car enthusiast, but had no foundation on which to judge them. Clarkson, Hammond and May would regularly and - I suspect - deliberately inspire authority by going off on geeky tangents, and always dropping hints to give the audience confidence they knew what they were talking about.
Evans' opinion counted for nothing. He might own Ferraris and McLarens so can tell you they're really fast, but when Clarkson reviewed a car you had the perspective that a long history of reviewing Vauxhall Vectras and Kia Sportages gives.
Compare an Evans review with the lighthearted Smith and Sniff YouTube reviews by 5th Gear's Jonny Smith and Richard 'Sniff Petrol' Porter. They're enjoyable because they both know their stuff.
Basically, Evans failed to convince the audience that he knew what he was talking about. MLB and Rory succeeded because they did. It makes no difference whether the viewer is a car person. Even a casual viewer will quickly recognise when somebody is out of their depth.
Esseesse said:
If the BBC want to continue making a programme with the 'Top Gear' name, they need to completely change the format and possibly also aim it at a different audience.
So you're saying that if the BBC want to continue making a programme that has made them a lot of money they need to make a completely different programme? Ummmm... ok. I rather suspect that what they actually need to do is to work out how to keep the golden goose healthy. They need to nurse it back to health, not pull its feathers off and try to stick fur on it instead.
MarshPhantom said:
carl_w said:
suffolk009 said:
If it is James Martin, I hope they did a screen test this time.
And please, hire some writers.
Same mistake as CE -- he's a car guy bur not a car journalist.And please, hire some writers.
FourWheelDrift said:
MarshPhantom said:
carl_w said:
suffolk009 said:
If it is James Martin, I hope they did a screen test this time.
And please, hire some writers.
Same mistake as CE -- he's a car guy bur not a car journalist.And please, hire some writers.
Europa1 said:
FourWheelDrift said:
MarshPhantom said:
carl_w said:
suffolk009 said:
If it is James Martin, I hope they did a screen test this time.
And please, hire some writers.
Same mistake as CE -- he's a car guy bur not a car journalist.And please, hire some writers.
once tried Tom Kerridge's baked beans, sorry Tom, too much arsing about for beans that were basically, a bit rank.durbster said:
If there's any truth in the James Martin rumours, it proves the BBC do not understand why Evans didn't work. It also shows that nobody among the BBC executives is into cars.
There is a difference between being a car enthusiast, and being an authority on them. Evans was a car enthusiast, but had no foundation on which to judge them. Clarkson, Hammond and May would regularly and - I suspect - deliberately inspire authority by going off on geeky tangents, and always dropping hints to give the audience confidence they knew what they were talking about.
Evans' opinion counted for nothing. He might own Ferraris and McLarens so can tell you they're really fast, but when Clarkson reviewed a car you had the perspective that a long history of reviewing Vauxhall Vectras and Kia Sportages gives.
Compare an Evans review with the lighthearted Smith and Sniff YouTube reviews by 5th Gear's Jonny Smith and Richard 'Sniff Petrol' Porter. They're enjoyable because they both know their stuff.
Basically, Evans failed to convince the audience that he knew what he was talking about. MLB and Rory succeeded because they did. It makes no difference whether the viewer is a car person. Even a casual viewer will quickly recognise when somebody is out of their depth.
I dunno, I know nothing of James Martin but a quick G suggests he looks to be someone meticulous with high standards/aspirtions - critically important values that made old top gear work so well once you looked beyond the "mates muckin' about, havin' a laff'" exterior, (which seemingly was beyond the entire programming team at the beeb or the dribbling morons delight than was evans. )There is a difference between being a car enthusiast, and being an authority on them. Evans was a car enthusiast, but had no foundation on which to judge them. Clarkson, Hammond and May would regularly and - I suspect - deliberately inspire authority by going off on geeky tangents, and always dropping hints to give the audience confidence they knew what they were talking about.
Evans' opinion counted for nothing. He might own Ferraris and McLarens so can tell you they're really fast, but when Clarkson reviewed a car you had the perspective that a long history of reviewing Vauxhall Vectras and Kia Sportages gives.
Compare an Evans review with the lighthearted Smith and Sniff YouTube reviews by 5th Gear's Jonny Smith and Richard 'Sniff Petrol' Porter. They're enjoyable because they both know their stuff.
Basically, Evans failed to convince the audience that he knew what he was talking about. MLB and Rory succeeded because they did. It makes no difference whether the viewer is a car person. Even a casual viewer will quickly recognise when somebody is out of their depth.
He'll obviously have some catching up to do but its as much having the right core attitude, and he has experience presenting tv that isnt specifically aimed at people with an iq of 23.
So he cant be as bad as evans right?
Edited by hairyben on Wednesday 24th August 16:35
Have you heard the adverts that Martin has on the radio for Asda where people phone in for recipes? He can barely lift that script off the page and thats for something that he is an 'expert' in.
Stick him in front of a camera where he pretends to be an expert in something he had no interest in and you can see how that is going to end up.
Stick him in front of a camera where he pretends to be an expert in something he had no interest in and you can see how that is going to end up.
ClockworkCupcake said:
Esseesse said:
If the BBC want to continue making a programme with the 'Top Gear' name, they need to completely change the format and possibly also aim it at a different audience.
So you're saying that if the BBC want to continue making a programme that has made them a lot of money they need to make a completely different programme? Ummmm... ok. I rather suspect that what they actually need to do is to work out how to keep the golden goose healthy. They need to nurse it back to health, not pull its feathers off and try to stick fur on it instead.
Top Gear had become about the relationship between 3 blokes, not primarily about cars or anything else. If you replaced all the members of a band with new people who tried to behave like the old ones do you think it'd still be successful?
Blib said:
Esseesse said:
If the BBC want to continue making a programme with the 'Top Gear' name, they need to completely change the format and possibly also aim it at a different audience.
That's a tough assignment for anyone to take on.Edited by Esseesse on Wednesday 24th August 17:18
P-Jay said:
James Martin might be enough to push me over the edge, I can't stand him, any time I've seen him on camera without a script to read he shows himself to be a prick, not the mention the sort of prick who likes to buzz cyclists in his car, TG doesn't need that.
Did you see the Mille Miglia show he did?Pants.
Yes, seriously - it featured his pants. He was vac packing them to save suitcase space. Apart from the cars, that was the highpoint. Fascinating motoring TV.
Esseesse said:
Blib said:
Esseesse said:
If the BBC want to continue making a programme with the 'Top Gear' name, they need to completely change the format and possibly also aim it at a different audience.
That's a tough assignment for anyone to take on.Edited by Esseesse on Wednesday 24th August 17:18
Esseesse said:
I wish them the best of luck but I don't think it's possible.
Top Gear had become about the relationship between 3 blokes, not primarily about cars or anything else. If you replaced all the members of a band with new people who tried to behave like the old ones do you think it'd still be successful?
Well tribute bands do pretty well albeit on a much smaller scale.Top Gear had become about the relationship between 3 blokes, not primarily about cars or anything else. If you replaced all the members of a band with new people who tried to behave like the old ones do you think it'd still be successful?
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