Top Gear 2016 Official TV show thread *contains spoilers*
Discussion
Johnspex said:
durbster said:
But there was: he didn't know anything about cars so had no authority to talk about them.
It's as simple as that.
I don't suppose MLB had much more knowledge and he was good.It's as simple as that.
MLB was ok, nothing special, best of a bad bunch really. His studio stuff was pretty dire but he was much better when out on the open road.
Dog Star said:
Not Evans fault; I wish he'd stayed and tried another season at least. Obviously after ditching whoever was writing the material.
That would have been his bezzy mate Danny Baker, who Evans brought on board the project. So more his fault than you think.Dog Star said:
Take for example the "finale", the Mini "jump" thing; who thought that up?
I'll give you one guess.Dog Star said:
And then who thought it would be decent tv?
Johnspex said:
Ok, I'll say it as no-one else has- Jenson Button is taking a sabbatical and TG is looking (apparently) for presenters. Co-incidence?
Nope. Absolutely no. Again, the superficial assumption is that because he's a 'car person' he can deliver authoritative pieces about cars. Button is tailor-made for the pundit/co-anchor role in a motorsport coverage show. No more and no less. That's the bubble he has lived in for most of his life and that is where his expertise lies, not in doing entertaining things with cheap second-hand cars from autotrader.Edited by r11co on Monday 5th September 14:55
durbster said:
Dog Star said:
... For a start there really was nothing wrong with Chris Evans ...
But there was: he didn't know anything about cars so had no authority to talk about them.It's as simple as that.
For 10 years CE has run Carfest, one of the bigger UK events, has owned a fantastic selection of motors, from exotica to odd-ball by way of every-day, has spent millions of his own money, and is obviously a total petrol-head, yet he knows nothing about them? That is patently untrue. Do you compare him to JC, who continued to get facts wrong about many of the vehicles they tested on TG, but is plainly both 'into' and knowledgeable?
I figure I 'know' a bit about the subject, but I've never been employed as a journalist or racing driver. What criteria should be used?
AdeTuono said:
How do you define someone who 'knows about' cars then?
For 10 years CE has run Carfest, one of the bigger UK events, has owned a fantastic selection of motors, from exotica to odd-ball by way of every-day, has spent millions of his own money, and is obviously a total petrol-head, yet he knows nothing about them? That is patently untrue. Do you compare him to JC, who continued to get facts wrong about many of the vehicles they tested on TG, but is plainly both 'into' and knowledgeable?
I figure I 'know' a bit about the subject, but I've never been employed as a journalist or racing driver. What criteria should be used?
Going on that logic, the sultan of brunei must the the worlds authority on cars?For 10 years CE has run Carfest, one of the bigger UK events, has owned a fantastic selection of motors, from exotica to odd-ball by way of every-day, has spent millions of his own money, and is obviously a total petrol-head, yet he knows nothing about them? That is patently untrue. Do you compare him to JC, who continued to get facts wrong about many of the vehicles they tested on TG, but is plainly both 'into' and knowledgeable?
I figure I 'know' a bit about the subject, but I've never been employed as a journalist or racing driver. What criteria should be used?
Probably still make a better and more likeable top gear presenter than evans though.
hairyben said:
AdeTuono said:
How do you define someone who 'knows about' cars then?
For 10 years CE has run Carfest, one of the bigger UK events, has owned a fantastic selection of motors, from exotica to odd-ball by way of every-day, has spent millions of his own money, and is obviously a total petrol-head, yet he knows nothing about them? That is patently untrue. Do you compare him to JC, who continued to get facts wrong about many of the vehicles they tested on TG, but is plainly both 'into' and knowledgeable?
I figure I 'know' a bit about the subject, but I've never been employed as a journalist or racing driver. What criteria should be used?
Going on that logic, the sultan of brunei must the the worlds authority on cars?For 10 years CE has run Carfest, one of the bigger UK events, has owned a fantastic selection of motors, from exotica to odd-ball by way of every-day, has spent millions of his own money, and is obviously a total petrol-head, yet he knows nothing about them? That is patently untrue. Do you compare him to JC, who continued to get facts wrong about many of the vehicles they tested on TG, but is plainly both 'into' and knowledgeable?
I figure I 'know' a bit about the subject, but I've never been employed as a journalist or racing driver. What criteria should be used?
Probably still make a better and more likeable top gear presenter than evans though.
AdeTuono said:
I wasn't defining; it was a genuine question. What criteria should be used? I'd suggest someone who is entertaining and into them, rather than a leading authority.
I'd be aiming to tick off as much of this list as possible if wanting to replicate tg, dont need to be an expert in every field so much as demonstrable.Passion about cars
Knowledge of cars - technical
Journalism experience/understanding
Good presenting/communication skills
Natural sense of humour/mischief
- Well written
As I've repeated ad nauseum, the "lads f
king about" was a theme that dressed up a far more meticulous production, the "characters" a little played up, and the apparent random arbitary nature of the show was a little more by design than a simplistic view would inform you.evans might have had some passion for cars and maybe a SOH (although a little odd/ marmite) but none of the other boxes on the list got ticked, even the sucess at shouty game/chat show host is not the same skillset as a good presenting
AdeTuono said:
For 10 years CE has run Carfest, one of the bigger UK events, has owned a fantastic selection of motors, from exotica to odd-ball by way of every-day, has spent millions of his own money, and is obviously a total petrol-head, yet he knows nothing about them? That is patently untrue.
Yet Evans still made a complete horses' hunt of the show. So what if he 'spent millions of his own money' on his car collection. I know guys who spend millions of their own money so they can pootle around in old F1 cars - doesn't make them anywhere near as good as Lewis Hamilton.I say it again - Evans spends loads of his own money in Michelin-starred restaurants, but that doesn't make him a cordon-bleu chef either.
He does however like to project the image that because he can buy his way into these circles he is in some way equal to the people who belong there through merit, and numbnuts believe it.
If at some point in his lifetime Evans had made a living because of his knowledge of cars then I would concede the point.
Edited by r11co on Tuesday 6th September 13:04
r11co said:
I say it again - Evans spends loads of his own money in Michelin-starred restaurants, but that doesn't make him a cordon-bleu chef either.
He's also taken to tweeting pictures of his dinner in those restaurants. Doesn't make him a food-critic.Edited by r11co on Tuesday 6th September 13:00
r11co said:
AdeTuono said:
For 10 years CE has run Carfest, one of the bigger UK events, has owned a fantastic selection of motors, from exotica to odd-ball by way of every-day, has spent millions of his own money, and is obviously a total petrol-head, yet he knows nothing about them? That is patently untrue.
Yet Evans still made a complete horses' hunt of the show. So what if he 'spent millions of his own money' on his car collection. I know guys who spend millions of their own money so they can pootle around in old F1 cars - doesn't make them anywhere near as good as Lewis Hamilton.I say it again - Evans spends loads of his own money in Michelin-starred restaurants, but that doesn't make him a cordon-bleu chef either.
He does however like to project the image that because he can buy his way into these circles he is in some way equal to the people who belong there through merit, and numbnuts believe it.
If at some point in his lifetime Evans had made a living because of his knowledge of cars then I would concede the point.
Edited by r11co on Tuesday 6th September 13:04
See reply from hairyben for a more considered, rational response.
AdeTuono said:
We're well aware of your feelings towards CE; you bang on about it ad infinitum. And before you incorrectly label me a fan-boy, I'm not, but I would genuinely like to know what he's done to elicit such a seething resentment within you. Have you considered seeking help?
See reply from hairyben for a more considered, rational response.
I think this thread has already called out ricco as being CE's ex-wife. See reply from hairyben for a more considered, rational response.
Either that or the person the Beeb really NEEDS to employ to sort TG out... he knows a real passionate, knowledgeable car enthusiast when he sees one, understands television like no-one else...everything from production, through script writing to lighting and presenting technique's..... and if all that fails, within mere mention of a presenting candidate's name, will know if success or failure awaits...
On a thread desperately looking to the future and discussing the possible direction and personalities involved... you can count on ricco to keep it focused on CE... I think ricco doth protest too much... likes a bit of ginge really...
AdeTuono said:
For 10 years CE has run Carfest, one of the bigger UK events, has owned a fantastic selection of motors,
I was at Carfest and tbh I thought it was very disappointing. I often go to the Pageant of Power, where just as great a variety of cars get properly exercised on the track. At Carfest, they simply pootled along at walking pace - not by choice, but by enforcement. Ok, so you get a better view of the car but what's the point? A friend of mine who had a rally car there was so fed up that he simply left the car parked up and went to a steam rally down the road.I'm lucky in that I was on the production staff was there for free, but if I'd paid for it as a car enthusiast I'd be very, very disappointed
AdeTuono said:
something
Quickmoose immediately said:
something in agreeance
Hey! The double-act have reunited!
AdeTuono said:
See reply from hairyben for a more considered, rational response.
I'm 100% with hairyben. His response though is (as he acknowledges himself) just a re-iteration of what has been said countless times already in this thread in response to daft assertions like yours.ChemicalChaos said:
I'm lucky in that I was on the production staff was there for free, but if I'd paid for it as a car enthusiast I'd be very, very disappointed.
Yeah, but it's all for Children in Need as Evans likes to keep reminding us, so it doesn't matter that it is sub-par.Edited by r11co on Tuesday 6th September 15:52
r11co said:
AdeTuono said:
something
Quickmoose immediately said:
something in agreeance
Hey! The double-act have reunited!AdeTuono said:
See reply from hairyben for a more considered, rational response.
I'm 100% with hairyben. His response though is (as he acknowledges himself) just a re-iteration of what has been said countless times already in this thread in response to daft assertions like yours.ChemicalChaos said:
I'm lucky in that I was on the production staff was there for free, but if I'd paid for it as a car enthusiast I'd be very, very disappointed.
Yeah, but it's all for Children in Need as Evans likes to keep reminding us, so it doesn't matter that it is underpar.Edited by r11co on Tuesday 6th September 15:46
Come on r11co; another baseless dig at me, or an explanation of why you deem in necessary to wage a one-man hate campaign against someone you have never met.
AdeTuono said:
Come on r11co; another baseless dig at me.....
Read back the thread and then take a look at yourself in the mirror. Pots, kettles and all that.Instead of obsessing about my alleged obsession with Chris Evans, how about actually (a) acknowledging that the cynicism expressed about the ginger t
t by his many critics in here between his announcement and the series airing was wholly justified and bang on the money, (b) stop repeating the apologist statements that 'he's a car person', and (c) contribute something substantive to the thread for once.Chris Evans and Top Gear is now old news, but his legacy isn't. The program is broken, largely because of his involvement. That was my last point, so what are your suggestions going forward....?
Edited by r11co on Tuesday 6th September 17:26
r11co said:
AdeTuono said:
Come on r11co; another baseless dig at me.....
Read back the thread and then take a look at yourself in the mirror. Pots, kettles and all that.Instead of obsessing about my alleged obsession with Chris Evans, how about actually (a) acknowledging that the cynicism expressed about the ginger t
t by his many critics in here between his announcement and the series airing was wholly justified and bang on the money, (b) stop repeating the apologist statements that 'he's a car person', and (c) contribute something substantive to the thread for once.Chris Evans and Top Gear is now old news, but his legacy isn't. The program is broken, largely because of his involvement. That was my last point, so what are your suggestions going forward....?
Edited by r11co on Tuesday 6th September 17:26
r11co said:
AdeTuono said:
For 10 years CE has run Carfest, one of the bigger UK events, has owned a fantastic selection of motors, from exotica to odd-ball by way of every-day, has spent millions of his own money, and is obviously a total petrol-head, yet he knows nothing about them? That is patently untrue.
Yet Evans still made a complete horses' hunt of the show. So what if he 'spent millions of his own money' on his car collection. I know guys who spend millions of their own money so they can pootle around in old F1 cars - doesn't make them anywhere near as good as Lewis Hamilton.I say it again - Evans spends loads of his own money in Michelin-starred restaurants, but that doesn't make him a cordon-bleu chef either.
He does however like to project the image that because he can buy his way into these circles he is in some way equal to the people who belong there through merit, and numbnuts believe it.
If at some point in his lifetime Evans had made a living because of his knowledge of cars then I would concede the point.
Edited by r11co on Tuesday 6th September 13:04
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