Top Gear 2016 Official TV show thread *contains spoilers*
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Thing is, even the 30s 'behind the scenes ' bit on amazon was more entertaining than the whole of the two episodes of TG I trudged through.
BBC need to admit, kill it or completely redo.
No going back, trying to get Matt the blank and evans to be clarkson and Hammond was a f
kup on a grand scale.
BBC need to admit, kill it or completely redo.
No going back, trying to get Matt the blank and evans to be clarkson and Hammond was a f
kup on a grand scale.r11co said:
Rich_W said:
You (and the other numpties who share pics like this) do realise it's JUST a TV show right?
I suggest, if you haven't already, that you watch former Top Gear executive producer Andy Wilman's interview from the Edinburgh TV Festival.From the first third of the interview it is very apparent that the BBC were prepared to kill-off something that was hugely popular worldwide and extremely lucrative for the sake of a point of principle. The cast and crew of the show were being put under immense pressure and something had to crack.
Everyone still cites the 'fracas' as what ended Top Gear as we knew it, but the incident that did it for me was the leaking of the out-take of the nursery rhyme. The footage should never have left the editing room under normal circumstances, meaning someone on the inside had to be responsible for the leak and the narrative that went with it. It was a message to the team that their 'coats were on a wobbly peg', but what a cack-handed way to manage a situation.
No big deal - it's just a TV show you say, until you consider that the stakeholders who stood to lose out because of BBC personal vendettas were the millions of people funding the BBC through their licence fee and the millions more worldwide.
Stupid things is the BBC knew what they didn't want, but now have no idea what they do want from Top Gear.
Edited by r11co on Friday 9th September 14:08
My issue is the wailing by the fanbois who repeat ad nuseum "RIP"
RIP is for living things. People. Pets. That's it.
As for the straw that broke the camels back. Well that's as maybe, clearly some people inside the BBC couldn't stand how non left wing the show was
. But with the best will in the world. The show (even by Wilmans opinion) was running out of ideas. So needed a complete renovation. I'll be interested to see if "Grand Tour" is just more of the same or substantially different.On a related note, I have no desire to buy Amazon prime. I get free delivery from Amazon as it is. £80 a year is dangerously close to another licence fee!
Gary C said:
Thing is, even the 30s 'behind the scenes ' bit on amazon was more entertaining than the whole of the two episodes of TG I trudged through.
BBC need to admit, kill it or completely redo.
No going back, trying to get Matt the blank and evans to be clarkson and Hammond was a fkup on a grand scale.
Is MLB definitely doing the next series? BBC need to admit, kill it or completely redo.
No going back, trying to get Matt the blank and evans to be clarkson and Hammond was a f
kup on a grand scale.r11co said:
Rich_W said:
On a related note, I have no desire to buy Amazon prime. I get free delivery from Amazon as it is. £80 a year is dangerously close to another licence fee!
Sit around. TGT will appear on a screen near you one way or another.MarshPhantom said:
Gary C said:
Thing is, even the 30s 'behind the scenes ' bit on amazon was more entertaining than the whole of the two episodes of TG I trudged through.
BBC need to admit, kill it or completely redo.
No going back, trying to get Matt the blank and evans to be clarkson and Hammond was a fkup on a grand scale.
Is MLB definitely doing the next series? BBC need to admit, kill it or completely redo.
No going back, trying to get Matt the blank and evans to be clarkson and Hammond was a f
kup on a grand scale.r11co said:
Rich_W said:
On a related note, I have no desire to buy Amazon prime. I get free delivery from Amazon as it is. £80 a year is dangerously close to another licence fee!
Sit around. TGT will appear on a screen near you one way or another.Gary C said:
r11co said:
Rich_W said:
On a related note, I have no desire to buy Amazon prime. I get free delivery from Amazon as it is. £80 a year is dangerously close to another licence fee!
Sit around. TGT will appear on a screen near you one way or another.So not too bad at a £1 a week.
Rich_W said:
My issue is the wailing by the fanbois who repeat ad nuseum "RIP"
Hope you overcome your issue and get well soon. Courage, mon brave.Rich_W said:
As for the straw that broke the camels back. Well that's as maybe, clearly some people inside the BBC couldn't stand how non left wing the show was . But with the best will in the world. The show (even by Wilmans opinion) was running out of ideas. So needed a complete renovation.
Call me confused, but I thought they'd continued as before, but with different faces that didn't work.. But with the best will in the world. The show (even by Wilmans opinion) was running out of ideas. So needed a complete renovation.mybrainhurts said:
Call me confused, but I thought they'd continued as before, but with different faces that didn't work.
well confused you and me both and wasn't that the problem. It was a bit like Dallas in the 80's when they changed Miss Ellie and then changed her back again or when Bobby died but it was all a dream. They took out the three Amigos and tried to keep the format which they could not replicate because the missing ingredient was the friendship of the presenters it was a bit like Last of the Summer wine with Cars.61GT said:
The Don of Croy said:
Blib said:
The old Woolard format is what killed it off in the first place. It has to justify itself in the schedule. Old TG didn't.
William Woollard was class. End of. His review of the Reliant SS1600 is the stuff of dreams....................https://youtu.be/WrIJLTSr3x8
Quite a varied and enjoyable episode, particularly the Formula First bit. I'd forgotten how good the old Top Gear could be!
Chris Goodwin at 7m10 : https://youtu.be/WrIJLTSr3x8?t=7m10s
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PugwasHDJ80 said:
The marshals running out of the way! 
mybrainhurts said:
Hope you overcome your issue and get well soon. Courage, mon brave.
I'm not the one who feels a TV show ending requires the oft used and incredibly lazy "RIP". You need to get well soon. How far overboard to do you something that GENUINELY deserved that phrase happens. A plane crash or someone you know dies? Full month of mourning? Were you one of the people who threw flowers at Dianas funeral cortege? mybrainhurts said:
Call me confused, but I thought they'd continued as before, but with different faces that didn't work.
Willman says IN THE VIDEO INTERVIEW that THEIR show (the Hammond, Clarkson May version) was running out of ideas. Unlike all the w
ky fanbois who just slagged off the Evans TG before it had even started, (so never even gave it a chance) and continued to do when it was shown and now are revelling in the schadenfreude of it probably never returning. WILLMAN said he hoped it would do well as a lot of the people there are his friends. I guess he doesn't like seeing his friends out of work.And I quote "theres room for more than 1 car programme" Its a shame that the TG (now GT) fanbois simply wont accept that. Probably the same people mashing their keyboards daily about how they want a second referendum
I didn't like Evans on the new show. But I'd still watch it. But unless there was something amazing on it. I'm unlikely to worry about it a month down the line. The direction was great. The camerawork was excellent. They featured far more cars per minute than the last couple series of (CHM TG) we have some new TV presenters who are knowledgeable about cars (Haris. Reid) LeBlanc was getting there towards the end too.
Rich_W said:
And I quote "theres room for more than 1 car programme"
I wonder if he really does think of the show as being about the cars, or about CH&M ?The issue is that car shows are boring - they always have been. I did like the old, technical TG but I'd find it difficult to sit through an hour of tech data and driving impressions of cars.
So the show was really about CH&M, and they could be in cars or boats or on motorbikes - it was the situation which was interesting plus them as people and the props were almost secondary.
This was true for The Long Way Round with Charlie Boorman and the other one. People thought it was about bikes - and they did focus on the bikes a little each episode but the bulk of the show was about them, their lives, the people they met and the travelling.
So the BBC need to find the right people first - just assembling a group of car people won't work, it needs much more than that. They need to be friends or very well matched, with history. They then need to find situations for them to act in where their characters come out and make the show.
BBC TG were very lucky with CH&M originally - it just happened and they clearly didn't know what they had hence the mess they made with Chris Evans and the rest.
Of all the current cast I'd like to see more of Chris Harris and Sabine but I can't see how that would work ?
The Don of Croy said:
Blib said:
The old Woolard format is what killed it off in the first place. It has to justify itself in the schedule. Old TG didn't.
William Woollard was class. End of. His review of the Reliant SS1600 is the stuff of dreams....................Here you go: -
https://youtu.be/WrIJLTSr3x8
Quite a varied and enjoyable episode, particularly the Formula First bit. I'd forgotten how good the old Top Gear could be!
Hated it.
Edited by Gary C on Thursday 15th September 22:25
Johnspex said:
How about Mark Evans, MLB and Jenson Button. Get rid of everyone else except perhaps Sabine for the feminine touch . Pension off the Stig, drop RR and get rid of Mr he can drive but can't stand still Chris Harris.
Just get rid of mr blank. Big improvement. Can't understand why anyone found him watchable.Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff