Game of Thrones - vol II - NO SPOILERS

Game of Thrones - vol II - NO SPOILERS

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AndrewEH1

4,917 posts

152 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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4x4Tyke said:
Didn't following the White Raven thing. Characters clearly understood the implication but it was unclear to me. Is this some cultural thing marking the start of a regular winter or something specific to the long winter.
I think it was mentioned in season one. Basically the Citadel sends white ravens to every town and city to tell/warn that Winter has arrived. All winters are 'long' in living memory but there are only folk stories about the winter where the dead rise.

AndrewEH1

4,917 posts

152 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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4x4Tyke said:
Jon is turning out to be pretty sexist in his behaviour and I think that will bite him in the arse, given he hasn't learnt his lesson.
Did I miss something? Jon Snow seemed very keen to support Sansa to be Queen of the North, but realistically the north wants a King.

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

99 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Was it just me or did Qyburn have the "Hand of the King" badge on when they crowned Cersei?

Halb

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53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Nice call on the Dorne and Tyrell banners in the fleet, I missed that!!!
ali_kat said:
It was a fking excellent episode

Exactly, pretty much, as I wanted it bar a couple of disappointments but... The rest of it more than made up for it biggrin

Score was amazing

Varys & Lady Tyrell seem to travel in time laugh

And how quickly did the news of the Tyrell deaths get to Dorne? It's not like anyone in KL with Ravens was left to really think to send them a note laugh
What were you disappointed at?

ali_kat said:
No

Her reaction to Tommen was strange
I think she wrote Tommen off when he sided with the High Sparrow and stcanned her. She's turned inwards on herself.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Shakermaker said:
Was it just me or did Qyburn have the "Hand of the King" badge on when they crowned Cersei?
yes Frankenstein did.

JagLover

42,265 posts

234 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Great, great episode.

I suppose now is time to rate the season overall. The season contained epic highs like The Door, and The winds of winter, spectacular battle scenes and very significant plot progression.

It also contained a few of their most moronic plot lines ever though foremost amongst which was Arya vs the Waif and suffered from the fatal flaw that ep 7 & 8 felt like padding, just when they should be building toward the end.

Anyway, better than season 5 IMO, probably up there with S3 & S4 for me, maybe S4 slightly edges it still as their best season.


MartG

20,620 posts

203 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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JackThrust said:
Dorne and Highgarden have always hated each other as they are close neighbours and therefore traditional enemies, for them both to be on the same side supporting Danny is VERY bad news for Cersei! Turning on the Tyrells was just stupid, their resources was the ONLY reason the Lannisters still held on to power. What have they got left? 10,000 men if that?
Not forgetting that without food from Highgarden King's Landing is going to starve

The Beaver King

6,095 posts

194 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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So what's the theory on the R+L=J reveal?

Something about that scene didn't feel right; there wasn't quite the big curtain drop I was expecting. They definitely implied that Jon was her son, but stopped short of mentioning who the father was, aside from the fact that 'Robert will kill him if he knows'.

So two things from that; either they're holding back on the big reveal and assumed most people don't know the R+L=J theory (or just teasing us) or they're going to throw a huge curve ball and smash the R+L and create the ?+L=J theory.

I'd love it to be Robert B, but the timeline just doesn't marry up.

JagLover

42,265 posts

234 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Also excellent hark back to the Rat Cook. Even better than the way they did it in the books in terms of the target.


Halb

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53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Spanna said:
Then it's a swift ride North to smash Euron and take his ships, proclaiming Yara as Queen of the Iron Isles.

It just can't be that simple though. Dany will have to suffer in some way, she can't just take the throne and marry Jon, it's too much of a good ending for GRRM.
I hope it's not that simple. The story has been stripped so much, I can see it ending with one series to go.

paulrockliffe said:
I was thinking the same last night. The Vale Knights do as Robyn Arryn says, he's Sansa's cousin and easily manipulated. After that, who are his friends? Has he burnt bridges with the Lanisters? They're doomed, Boltons are gone, he's never been 'in' with Dorne or the Tyrells and Varys knows he's not to be trusted, so he won't be a friend of Dany's.

Stuggling to see how this plays out for him. But he always has a scheme running.
In the books, Littlefinger has more going for him, he has Houses across the kingdoms in massive debt to him.

ZesPak

24,421 posts

195 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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The Beaver King said:
I'd love it to be Robert B, but the timeline just doesn't marry up.
Not just that, but why would he want to kill his bd birthed by his one true love??
He never showed any grudge towards his many bds...

I think they're just going by "regular TV viewers don't know yet his father is a Targ and Danny is his aunt".

Halb

Original Poster:

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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JagLover said:
Great, great episode.

I suppose now is time to rate the season overall. The season contained epic highs like The Door, and The winds of winter, spectacular battle scenes and very significant plot progression.

It also contained a few of their most moronic plot lines ever though foremost amongst which was Arya vs the Waif and suffered from the fatal flaw that ep 7 & 8 felt like padding, just when they should be building toward the end.

Anyway, better than season 5 IMO, probably up there with S3 & S4 for me, maybe S4 slightly edges it still as their best season.
I agree. SOme great great moments, but also some sloppy moments, which is a real shame. I think the writing has been not up to scratch in places, and the race to shoot the story along impacts the quality. But it's still good.

The Beaver King said:
So what's the theory on the R+L=J reveal?

Something about that scene didn't feel right; there wasn't quite the big curtain drop I was expecting. They definitely implied that Jon was her son, but stopped short of mentioning who the father was, aside from the fact that 'Robert will kill him if he knows'.

So two things from that; either they're holding back on the big reveal and assumed most people don't know the R+L=J theory (or just teasing us) or they're going to throw a huge curve ball and smash the R+L and create the ?+L=J theory.

I'd love it to be Robert B, but the timeline just doesn't marry up.
I concur. There is something fishy about that whispering, why do it? Is it the legitimacy thing?

eps

6,272 posts

268 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Halb said:
Nice call on the Dorne and Tyrell banners in the fleet, I missed that!!!
ali_kat said:
It was a fking excellent episode

Exactly, pretty much, as I wanted it bar a couple of disappointments but... The rest of it more than made up for it biggrin

Score was amazing

Varys & Lady Tyrell seem to travel in time laugh

And how quickly did the news of the Tyrell deaths get to Dorne? It's not like anyone in KL with Ravens was left to really think to send them a note laugh
What were you disappointed at?

ali_kat said:
No

Her reaction to Tommen was strange
I think she wrote Tommen off when he sided with the High Sparrow and stcanned her. She's turned inwards on herself.
Surely she was trying to protect him and keep him away from harm, even sending the Mountain to stop him, but then realised that she couldn't stop the prophecy from being fulfilled...

glazbagun

14,257 posts

196 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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eps said:
Surely she was trying to protect him and keep him away from harm, even sending the Mountain to stop him, but then realised that she couldn't stop the prophecy from being fulfilled...
Yeah, I thought she was going to cut Jamie to pieces when Marcella died, instead she seemed to have become quite fatalistic. I reckon she'd prepared herself for Tommen dying somehow and she's hardly going to break down in tears in front of Qyburn.

I wonder at Qyburns motives. He was nearly killed by the Mountain but seems to have got his revenge. He was kicked out from the Maesters and now he's got his own lab and killed the Grand Maester.

Yet he doesn't seem too vengeful. I do wonder if Varys trust of children will lead to his downfall after seeing what Qyburn's been doing with them.

glazbagun

14,257 posts

196 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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I also thought Tommen has been great since Joff died. Him and Myrcella were pretty anonymous beforehand, but Tommen was such a great kid, totally aware of what a monster his mother was and not really equipped to cope with how everyone wanted a piece of him.

techguyone

3,137 posts

141 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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smithyithy said:
Those interesting in the amazing score for this episode, it was by a guy called Ramin Djawadi - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS-gbqbVd8c&li...
Yes he's done a few notable scores, I picked up on him from the film The Unborn, great composer.

chris watton

22,477 posts

259 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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I already he DVD box set for 1-5, but I think I will have the BR version of the complete set when it finally finishes, so I can watch and listen to this televisual art form in all its glory from the start.

FourWheelDrift

88,375 posts

283 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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I wonder where the big fleet is heading. I thought they were going to land in Dorne but the Dornish & Tyrrell fleet has sailed out (bringing Varys back with it) to merge with the Ironborn fleet and Daenerys's ships. So they must be going somewhere else.

Casterly Rock & Lannisport? As Daario suggested, it would be great to see those next series. Strike at Kings Landing after forming a base at her birthplace Dragonstone? If they head towards the Iron Islands to defeat Euron (would that even be Daenerys's priority?) she would be passing Casterly Rock and could offload the army there.

Anywhere else make sense?

Halb

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53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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eps said:
Surely she was trying to protect him and keep him away from harm, even sending the Mountain to stop him, but then realised that she couldn't stop the prophecy from being fulfilled...
Oh yeah, she wanted to keep him safe, but I feel she had already moved quite some way from him emotionally.

glazbagun said:
Yeah, I thought she was going to cut Jamie to pieces when Marcella died, instead she seemed to have become quite fatalistic. I reckon she'd prepared herself for Tommen dying somehow and she's hardly going to break down in tears in front of Qyburn.

I wonder at Qyburns motives. He was nearly killed by the Mountain but seems to have got his revenge. He was kicked out from the Maesters and now he's got his own lab and killed the Grand Maester.

Yet he doesn't seem too vengeful. I do wonder if Varys trust of children will lead to his downfall after seeing what Qyburn's been doing with them.
In the books, Qyburn is very interesting.

Here is Preston's amusing and insightful take o ep 10. His more serious Q&As normally follow a few days after and are very informative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnyseAZ4xU8

FourWheelDrift

88,375 posts

283 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Another question over Tommen's suicide. Did he know Cersei was not in the Sept? All he knew was a silent Mountain was stopping him from leaving, did he think she blew up everyone by committing suicide by wildfire?