Game of Thrones - vol II - NO SPOILERS
Discussion
FourWheelDrift said:
4x4Tyke said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Remember when Robert Baratheon is talking to Ser Barriston Selmy about their first kills, Robert says it was some Tarly boy. I wonder if after the battle he had his way with Mrs Tarly... 
Interesting idea, except Roberts only defeat was at the hands of Sam's Father.
k his wife then Also think Sam's role as Maester to the watch, easily justifies his presence.
Edited by 4x4Tyke on Saturday 2nd July 14:24
glazbagun said:
Do we know for sure who ordered the murder of Roberts bds?
Joffrey. When Tyrion was accusing Cersei of the murder of the children, she gave him a look that implied she wasn't responsible. Tyrion asked her and she said it was Joffrey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtPtJCFbc5Uds?glazbagun said:
Gendry must have a role or he'd have been killed by now
I dunno, it could be that he's played a part in the story, and it's ended with him escaping. Not everyone has to have a massive destiny, it's more realistic if some people just fade out of the story. Now I've said that he'll end up on the iron throne
.FourWheelDrift said:
I mean come on, why the hell is he still alive if not to be a pivotal character. 
I think this is why GoT is becoming more predictable. We're running out of characters so the ones left presumably have some significance. Gilly's another one- she's surely being saved for some purpose as GoT doesn't really do the whole damsel in peril /save the dog thing.lemmingjames said:
Or GRRM just had no fking clue on how to finish it and so the producers/script writers are reverting to normal screen writing
The only one i see throwing a spanner in the works is Lil Finger now
George knows how it ends and has told them how it all pans out so they are not making it up themselves, other than the continuing normal changes between the books and TV that they have already done.king clue on how to finish it and so the producers/script writers are reverting to normal screen writingThe only one i see throwing a spanner in the works is Lil Finger now
Halb said:
I see one or two of whom I see as the big three; Jon, Dani and Tyrion to due, maybe at each others hands. I can see Cersei surviving now.
Martin is writing a history, not a story, I don't see the walkers being 'defeated' in that sense.
Then again, who knows, I forget, this is the show, not the books.
I don't think you can defeat the Wight Walkers permenantly. I think they would always be around now. You can defeat them in this iteration, then summer comes again Martin is writing a history, not a story, I don't see the walkers being 'defeated' in that sense.
Then again, who knows, I forget, this is the show, not the books.
I have watch Ep09 a couple of times now. There are a few things that grate with repeated viewing (technically, though, it is as good as anything Hollywood can do, perhaps better, visually)
I do not believe for one second that Jon Snow would have reacted in such a rash manner after Rickon was killed. Less than 24 hours before, he promised Sansa that he would do anything to protect her. Rickon was dead, she was still alive. Why risk her fate too, but instead rushed the enemy alone? I know he would have been angry, but would he really have chosen suicide and the likely imprisonment of his sister as a result? I don't think so, not in the real world.
Why didn't Wun Wun have even a rudimentary weapon? He would have created a gap in the enemy's position with relative ease. Instead, the CGI renders him almost impotent against the spear wall.
Finally, Ramsey had ample chance to finish Snow, the last of which is when they breach the gates. Instead of this, he finishes off an already dying Wun Wun - if he had time to draw, aim and kill him, why not Jon Snow?
Nit-picking I know, but I wish the director would have not put the protagonists in such vulnerable position that you know they survive because the script tells them they will - it just takes away the semblance of realism in what was a very well executed battle scene.
Still love it, though!
I do not believe for one second that Jon Snow would have reacted in such a rash manner after Rickon was killed. Less than 24 hours before, he promised Sansa that he would do anything to protect her. Rickon was dead, she was still alive. Why risk her fate too, but instead rushed the enemy alone? I know he would have been angry, but would he really have chosen suicide and the likely imprisonment of his sister as a result? I don't think so, not in the real world.
Why didn't Wun Wun have even a rudimentary weapon? He would have created a gap in the enemy's position with relative ease. Instead, the CGI renders him almost impotent against the spear wall.
Finally, Ramsey had ample chance to finish Snow, the last of which is when they breach the gates. Instead of this, he finishes off an already dying Wun Wun - if he had time to draw, aim and kill him, why not Jon Snow?
Nit-picking I know, but I wish the director would have not put the protagonists in such vulnerable position that you know they survive because the script tells them they will - it just takes away the semblance of realism in what was a very well executed battle scene.
Still love it, though!
chris watton said:
I have watch Ep09 a couple of times now. There are a few things that grate with repeated viewing (technically, though, it is as good as anything Hollywood can do, perhaps better, visually)
I do not believe for one second that Jon Snow would have reacted in such a rash manner after Rickon was killed. Less than 24 hours before, he promised Sansa that he would do anything to protect her. Rickon was dead, she was still alive. Why risk her fate too, but instead rushed the enemy alone? I know he would have been angry, but would he really have chosen suicide and the likely imprisonment of his sister as a result? I don't think so, not in the real world.
Why didn't Wun Wun have even a rudimentary weapon? He would have created a gap in the enemy's position with relative ease. Instead, the CGI renders him almost impotent against the spear wall.
Finally, Ramsey had ample chance to finish Snow, the last of which is when they breach the gates. Instead of this, he finishes off an already dying Wun Wun - if he had time to draw, aim and kill him, why not Jon Snow?
Nit-picking I know, but I wish the director would have not put the protagonists in such vulnerable position that you know they survive because the script tells them they will - it just takes away the semblance of realism in what was a very well executed battle scene.
Still love it, though!
He rode in on his horse, presumably planning to scoop up Rickon and get the hell out of dodge. Once the horse was gone, he was going to be cut down by arrows if he ran, so he chose to make a fight of it. I think, maybe.I do not believe for one second that Jon Snow would have reacted in such a rash manner after Rickon was killed. Less than 24 hours before, he promised Sansa that he would do anything to protect her. Rickon was dead, she was still alive. Why risk her fate too, but instead rushed the enemy alone? I know he would have been angry, but would he really have chosen suicide and the likely imprisonment of his sister as a result? I don't think so, not in the real world.
Why didn't Wun Wun have even a rudimentary weapon? He would have created a gap in the enemy's position with relative ease. Instead, the CGI renders him almost impotent against the spear wall.
Finally, Ramsey had ample chance to finish Snow, the last of which is when they breach the gates. Instead of this, he finishes off an already dying Wun Wun - if he had time to draw, aim and kill him, why not Jon Snow?
Nit-picking I know, but I wish the director would have not put the protagonists in such vulnerable position that you know they survive because the script tells them they will - it just takes away the semblance of realism in what was a very well executed battle scene.
Still love it, though!
I think Ramsey thought he still had the upper hand, bow and arrow vs sword at 50 paces. He misjudged because he didn't consider Jon grabbing the shield. It was entirely consistent with his character I thought.
paulrockliffe said:
chris watton said:
I have watch Ep09 a couple of times now. There are a few things that grate with repeated viewing (technically, though, it is as good as anything Hollywood can do, perhaps better, visually)
I do not believe for one second that Jon Snow would have reacted in such a rash manner after Rickon was killed. Less than 24 hours before, he promised Sansa that he would do anything to protect her. Rickon was dead, she was still alive. Why risk her fate too, but instead rushed the enemy alone? I know he would have been angry, but would he really have chosen suicide and the likely imprisonment of his sister as a result? I don't think so, not in the real world.
Why didn't Wun Wun have even a rudimentary weapon? He would have created a gap in the enemy's position with relative ease. Instead, the CGI renders him almost impotent against the spear wall.
Finally, Ramsey had ample chance to finish Snow, the last of which is when they breach the gates. Instead of this, he finishes off an already dying Wun Wun - if he had time to draw, aim and kill him, why not Jon Snow?
Nit-picking I know, but I wish the director would have not put the protagonists in such vulnerable position that you know they survive because the script tells them they will - it just takes away the semblance of realism in what was a very well executed battle scene.
Still love it, though!
He rode in on his horse, presumably planning to scoop up Rickon and get the hell out of dodge. Once the horse was gone, he was going to be cut down by arrows if he ran, so he chose to make a fight of it. I think, maybe.I do not believe for one second that Jon Snow would have reacted in such a rash manner after Rickon was killed. Less than 24 hours before, he promised Sansa that he would do anything to protect her. Rickon was dead, she was still alive. Why risk her fate too, but instead rushed the enemy alone? I know he would have been angry, but would he really have chosen suicide and the likely imprisonment of his sister as a result? I don't think so, not in the real world.
Why didn't Wun Wun have even a rudimentary weapon? He would have created a gap in the enemy's position with relative ease. Instead, the CGI renders him almost impotent against the spear wall.
Finally, Ramsey had ample chance to finish Snow, the last of which is when they breach the gates. Instead of this, he finishes off an already dying Wun Wun - if he had time to draw, aim and kill him, why not Jon Snow?
Nit-picking I know, but I wish the director would have not put the protagonists in such vulnerable position that you know they survive because the script tells them they will - it just takes away the semblance of realism in what was a very well executed battle scene.
Still love it, though!
I think Ramsey thought he still had the upper hand, bow and arrow vs sword at 50 paces. He misjudged because he didn't consider Jon grabbing the shield. It was entirely consistent with his character I thought.
His main gripe with game of thrones is people not wearing helmets or using shields...
Interestingly he comes up with a couple of ways out of the shield wall encirclement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avtHpJyYYkQ
so if jon is Rheagars then Jon and Denaerys are nephew and auntie!
plot thickens!
jon therefore can't be king of the north as he is part stark (lyanna) part targaryan (Rhaegar).
Bran is rightful heir to Winterfell. I still expoect an alliance between jon and danaerys to defeat the white walkers - hence a Song of Fire and Ice....
plot thickens!
jon therefore can't be king of the north as he is part stark (lyanna) part targaryan (Rhaegar).
Bran is rightful heir to Winterfell. I still expoect an alliance between jon and danaerys to defeat the white walkers - hence a Song of Fire and Ice....
Nom de ploom said:
so if jon is Rheagars then Jon and Denaerys are nephew and auntie!
plot thickens!
jon therefore can't be king of the north as he is part stark (lyanna) part targaryan (Rhaegar).
Bran is rightful heir to Winterfell. I still expoect an alliance between jon and danaerys to defeat the white walkers - hence a Song of Fire and Ice....
If the people of the north proclaim him as king of the north then that's what he is. plot thickens!
jon therefore can't be king of the north as he is part stark (lyanna) part targaryan (Rhaegar).
Bran is rightful heir to Winterfell. I still expoect an alliance between jon and danaerys to defeat the white walkers - hence a Song of Fire and Ice....
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