Women who kill lions

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Dr Doofenshmirtz

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199 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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I must admit I didn't watch the whole thing, but wow - there are some truly disturbing people out there frown

Horrible.

Bring on the clowns

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183 months

Wednesday 29th June 2016
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Do you mean the internet trolls who write and encourage violence towards and the killing of the women?

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Bring on the clowns said:
Do you mean the internet trolls who write and encourage violence towards and the killing of the women?
I would imagine he means anyone who is psychopathic enough to derive pleasure from killing animals.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S...

Bring on the clowns

1,339 posts

183 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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So, not the ones who sit on the internet mounting hate campaigns against women doing legal activities and making encouragments to murder them, kill their children, butcher them etc. etc. couched, usually, in very misogynistic language?

Thankyou4calling

10,595 posts

172 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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I watched most of it.

I don't like the hunting of animals at all but wondered if they get some sort of sexual gratification from it, dominating an animal, having lots of followers on the web, posing in make up. Even the programme showed them pretty glammed up I thought.

marcosgt

11,011 posts

175 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Bring on the clowns said:
So, not the ones who sit on the internet mounting hate campaigns against women doing legal activities and making encouragments to murder them, kill their children, butcher them etc. etc. couched, usually, in very misogynistic language?
Is that relevant? I didn't see the programme, so was that the sort of response they were getting?

Do we know these were men making such comments (if so). In my, limited, experience, women tend to make up the majority of animal rights activists, but, as I say, I didn't see the programme, so I don't know the context.

Anyone who kills things for FUN is a bit fked up in my mind, posting the type of hate messages you mention is similar (although, I suspect, mostly empty threats born of frustration).

M

227bhp

10,203 posts

127 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Saw the trailer and decided it covered the program pretty well so didn't bother to watch it as it looked pretty foul. They got all they deserved.

Crush

15,077 posts

168 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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I had read that a lot of these hunting safaris help to support conservation in the area. Is it the same for these hunters?

blueg33

35,574 posts

223 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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227bhp said:
Saw the trailer and decided it covered the program pretty well so didn't bother to watch it as it looked pretty foul. They got all they deserved.
I did exactly the same. Plus didn't want to spend half the evening shouting at the tv

Bring on the clowns

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Thursday 30th June 2016
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marcosgt said:
Bring on the clowns said:
So, not the ones who sit on the internet mounting hate campaigns against women doing legal activities and making encouragments to murder them, kill their children, butcher them etc. etc. couched, usually, in very misogynistic language?
Is that relevant? I didn't see the programme, so was that the sort of response they were getting?

Do we know these were men making such comments (if so). In my, limited, experience, women tend to make up the majority of animal rights activists, but, as I say, I didn't see the programme, so I don't know the context.

Anyone who kills things for FUN is a bit fked up in my mind, posting the type of hate messages you mention is similar (although, I suspect, mostly empty threats born of frustration).

M
Not sure, probably both, but the media have showed some that seem obviously from women hating / sexist men, looking at the language. Just as bad as each other if they make the same threats though.

My girlfriend is from a country with a stronger hunting culture than the UK, started to follow her dad as a child so got used to it that way and wants to hunt as she finds it exciting and fulfilling. I don't hunt, but as I love her, if she wants to do it and it interests her and makes her happy then that's up to her as far as I'm concerned. I'd not like to think of people starting to whip up hate campaigns and making threats against her as a result. Which is my main point, essentially.

Edited by Bring on the clowns on Thursday 30th June 09:45

Moderator edit: cut out the personal accusations


Edited by jeremyc on Thursday 30th June 20:36

Russwhitehouse

962 posts

130 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Personally i would derive no pleasure in shooting big game. However, the arguement for it put to me when i was in SA in 2007 made a lot of sense. Most of the animals hunted legitimately in the national parks are earmarked for culling due to age, sickness, population control etc. This can be carried out by one of the rangers, or, it can be auctioned off to some fat knobbly kneed American with more money than sense and the money used to further conservation and aid anti poaching measures. The meat is also divided up amongst the locals. Either way the animal is for the chop.
That being said, it's not something i would want to do.

marcosgt

11,011 posts

175 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Bring on the clowns said:
Not sure, probably both but the media have showed some that seem obviously from women hating/ sexist men, looking at the language. Just as bad as each other if they make the same threats though.

My girlfriend is from a country with a stronger hunting culture than the UK, started to follow her dad as a child so got used to it that way and wants to hunt as she finds it exciting and fulfilling. I don't hunt, but as I love her, if she wants to do it and it interests her and makes her happy then that's up to her as far as I'm concerned. I'd not like to think of people starting to whip up hate campaigns and making threats against her as a result. Which is my main point, essentially.
How would you feel if she was a paedophile? I'm guessing quite different.

I'm not saying it's the same, but surely personal morality must play a part in how far you can go to support someone's 'interests'?

Lots of people are very emotional about animals being killed.

I don't necessarily have a problem with hunting animals bred for the purpose and abundant (especially if their meat is used), but killing Lions for pleasure is just pathetic, whether a 'man' or 'woman' does it. Sick old animals should be despatched humanely, not at the risk of prolonged pain from a bad shot and for the pleasure of some bored, rich human.

The argument that these deviant's money can actually help protect healthy animals IS a challenging one, but I'm sure there are plenty of people who would pay to track and photograph healthy animals.

As for Elephant poachers, I'd happily mow a row of the fkers down with a .50 calibre machine gun given the chance, male or female.

None of this, of course, excuses hateful attacks against women in general, but if you choose a lifestyle that makes you a pariah, you've got to expect a little bile in return...

M


Edited by marcosgt on Thursday 30th June 09:55


Edited by jeremyc on Thursday 30th June 20:38

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Without these hunters what would the "holler than thou" lot have to moan about? I find them quite useful as a barometer of who I don't want to spend any time with from social media. A bit like those "ban the burka" memes and "britain first" lot..

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Bring on the clowns

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183 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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marcosgt said:
How would you feel if she was a paedophile? I'm guessing quite different.

I'm not saying it's the same, but these deviant's,

but if you choose a lifestyle that makes you a pariah, you've got to expect a little bile in return...


Edited by marcosgt on Thursday 30th June 09:55
Seem to be inconsistencies in your post, no she isn't a Paedophile and yes, my reaction to that would be very different. So, they aren't the same, but then using words like deviant and pariah suggest you think them not dissimilar.

As a hunter in Sweden (or many other places I expect) she isn't a pariah at all or seen as deviant, except amongst a minority (of the majority of non-hunters) who conflate hunting - a sport pursued by millions - as something they don't like to the point they feel it gives them a right to attack those following a legal and ancient activity.

Bring on the clowns

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183 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Interesting that Dr. Jock's post has gone - have you been 'got at'?

DocJock

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239 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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No, I just can't be arsed with all the bhing on PH these days.


marcosgt

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175 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Bring on the clowns said:
marcosgt said:
How would you feel if she was a paedophile? I'm guessing quite different.

I'm not saying it's the same, but these deviant's,

but if you choose a lifestyle that makes you a pariah, you've got to expect a little bile in return...


Edited by marcosgt on Thursday 30th June 09:55
Seem to be inconsistencies in your post, no she isn't a Paedophile and yes, my reaction to that would be very different. So, they aren't the same, but then using words like deviant and pariah suggest you think them not dissimilar.

As a hunter in Sweden (or many other places I expect) she isn't a pariah at all or seen as deviant, except amongst a minority (of the majority of non-hunters) who conflate hunting - a sport pursued by millions - as something they don't like to the point they feel it gives them a right to attack those following a legal and ancient activity.
No inconsistency, the kind of hunting you refer to is very different to killing lions for fun. People who do the latter are, in my view, pariahs and deviants.

There's no purpose to it except their gratification and it's not true to say it hurts no-one. It causes pain to the animals and it reduces the opportunities for those who would "take nothing but pictures and leave nothing but footprints" the opportunity to see rare animals.

I am NOT comparing it DIRECTLY to paedophilia - let's say she enjoyed robbing people at knife point if it's less contentious. Some would see that as acceptable, but most wouldn't.

I eat meat, I can accept the killing of animals for meat (That WOULD be inconsistent). I see hunting game animals (deer, etc) for meat very differently to killing preadtors for fun.

In your position, I would feel differently (I wouldn't support her, I suspect), but that's OK.

My point was that everyone has a sliding scale, so people posting (empty, mostly) death threats, etc to people who kill lions for fun are simply reacting (over-reacting) to their position on this. I don't condone this and wouldn't do it myself, but if I do something against the general morals of my society (racism, violence, etc), then it's going to upset people. I guess the world is a smaller place these days, so the morals of Sweden or some rich clique in the US is now more open to judgement by a wider audience with more generalised morals.

It's very different to sending such messages to women in general, unless you believe that it's acceptable to send hate mail to men, but not women...

On topic, I assume the programme explored the motivation for the women who kill lions, otherwise it would seem a rather pointless show...

M


Edited by marcosgt on Thursday 30th June 11:12

Bring on the clowns

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183 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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DocJock said:
No, I just can't be arsed with all the bhing on PH these days.
Yes, I empathise. I think I'm ready to leave this place now - pity it's so hard to close an account without the 'going out in a blaze of glory' ban route - as it's become such a juvenile, hostile argue for nothing place. I'd not have got involved in the tit-for-tat if it weren't for the initial slurs, or with the thread if I hadn't thought of what it implied about attitudes to my girlfriend. So, I'll join you and I'm "out" as Dimbleby said...

stephen300o

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227 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Crush said:
I had read that a lot of these hunting safaris help to support conservation in the area. Is it the same for these hunters?
And then cut folks legs off in aid of the disabled.

fatandwheezing

414 posts

157 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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marcosgt said:
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I see hunting game animals (deer, etc) for meat very differently to killing preadtors for fun.

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On topic, I assume the programme explored the motivation for the women who kill lions, otherwise it would seem a rather pointless show...

M
In my youth I did work experience on an estate. It was pretty much deer stalking and fishing. Everything caught was caught for food, with the estate selling it on to stores and restaurants. What did strike me, was that the people paying huge amounts of money to go there, were only interested in the hunting part.

So there was a greater purpose to the whole operation, but the guys trying to do the actual killing were purely there for pleasure.