Saving lives at sea: BBC 1
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I have been watching and really enjoying this series. Utter respect for those that volunteer - thank you.
For those with Facebook check out Alex Ellis-Roswell, I have been following him (if that's the right term ?)
He is walking the entire coast of the UK raising money for the RNLI, currently in Ireland and so far has raised over 20K.
On Tuesday he had been walking for 1 year, 11 months and 17 days.
If I knew how to link his page to this - I would.
Found his website - www.bt.com/DonateToLifeboats - currently standing at £22,671.31
For those with Facebook check out Alex Ellis-Roswell, I have been following him (if that's the right term ?)
He is walking the entire coast of the UK raising money for the RNLI, currently in Ireland and so far has raised over 20K.
On Tuesday he had been walking for 1 year, 11 months and 17 days.
If I knew how to link his page to this - I would.
Found his website - www.bt.com/DonateToLifeboats - currently standing at £22,671.31
waynedear said:
Members of crew stood down due to not signing a code of conduct, some info in the Liverpool Echo.
I get the impression some very experienced VOLUNTEERS have not taken to being told to sign a new agreement.They have a Hovercraft there and its not being used now something doesn't sound rightjohnxjsc1985 said:
waynedear said:
Members of crew stood down due to not signing a code of conduct, some info in the Liverpool Echo.
I get the impression some very experienced VOLUNTEERS have not taken to being told to sign a new agreement.They have a Hovercraft there and its not being used now something doesn't sound rightAn interesting read. I assume everyone within the RNLI has signed this so I expect there to be more to it than the disgruntled ex volunteers make out, kit deficiencies, investigations and a failure to meet standards sounds far more convincing.
Not really the right place but this is the statement from the RNLI:
The RNLI will take New Brighton lifeboat station temporarily off service for several weeks following a dispute with several lifeboat and hovercraft crew volunteers over a new training programme and the station’s management
The charity has decided to stand down several volunteers who have refused to commit to the standards required of all RNLI volunteers, which means that New Brighton will not be able to operate safely in the short term.
Over the next few weeks, RNLI teams will work with the station’s remaining volunteers, offering enhanced training and support, and creating a more positive environment for the crew. We aim to reopen the lifeboat station for a period in August.
We would like to reassure the public that we are confident that the lifesaving service provided by the RNLI to the people of Merseyside and the Wirral will continue to be carried out effectively by RNLI lifeboats stationed at Hoylake, West Kirby and by local lifeguards. The area will also continue to be served by Mersey Marine Fire 1 and we are working closely with HM Coastguard through this interim period.
The station has been affected by a dispute over several issues - the introduction of a new training programme, the station’s management, the outcomes of an investigation into various issues with the lifeboat crew, the attempts to address deficiencies at the lifeboat station and breaches of the RNLI’s Volunteer Code of Conduct. Those stood down are clearly unhappy but they do not represent the views of the majority of the crew, who we are pleased to say want to continue with the RNLI.
We plan to train the remaining crew to the required standard and also ensure they subscribe to the RNLI’s values and codes of conduct, which are critical to the running of a first-class lifesaving service. We will also be seeking to recruit new lifeboat crew to the station.
‘We explored a number of options for New Brighton before taking this step. Closing a lifeboat station, even temporarily, is not a decision to be taken lightly but we are confident that this is the right way forward,’ says Lee Firman, Divisional Operations Manager.
‘The RNLI has a duty of care to its lifeboat volunteers and to ensure that they feel safe, accepted and can volunteer within a welcoming environment. They should also expect to receive the right training, skills and equipment to meet the challenge of saving lives at sea. This is what we will be working with the New Brighton crew to achieve,’ Firman says.
The RNLI expects all lifeboat crew to abide by its codes of conduct and to ensure their skills and training are kept up to date. Where this is not the case, particularly where negative behaviour is involved, the RNLI will not hesitate to intervene and help crew become a coherent, safe and efficient team. The RNLI strives to create a culture within lifeboat stations where crew members can trust each other, and are able to progress and develop into senior roles.
‘New Brighton has a proud history of lifesaving and we are confident that, with the goodwill of the volunteers, the lifeboat will soon be back on service for the people of Merseyside and the Wirral,’ Firman says.
The RNLI will take New Brighton lifeboat station temporarily off service for several weeks following a dispute with several lifeboat and hovercraft crew volunteers over a new training programme and the station’s management
The charity has decided to stand down several volunteers who have refused to commit to the standards required of all RNLI volunteers, which means that New Brighton will not be able to operate safely in the short term.
Over the next few weeks, RNLI teams will work with the station’s remaining volunteers, offering enhanced training and support, and creating a more positive environment for the crew. We aim to reopen the lifeboat station for a period in August.
We would like to reassure the public that we are confident that the lifesaving service provided by the RNLI to the people of Merseyside and the Wirral will continue to be carried out effectively by RNLI lifeboats stationed at Hoylake, West Kirby and by local lifeguards. The area will also continue to be served by Mersey Marine Fire 1 and we are working closely with HM Coastguard through this interim period.
The station has been affected by a dispute over several issues - the introduction of a new training programme, the station’s management, the outcomes of an investigation into various issues with the lifeboat crew, the attempts to address deficiencies at the lifeboat station and breaches of the RNLI’s Volunteer Code of Conduct. Those stood down are clearly unhappy but they do not represent the views of the majority of the crew, who we are pleased to say want to continue with the RNLI.
We plan to train the remaining crew to the required standard and also ensure they subscribe to the RNLI’s values and codes of conduct, which are critical to the running of a first-class lifesaving service. We will also be seeking to recruit new lifeboat crew to the station.
‘We explored a number of options for New Brighton before taking this step. Closing a lifeboat station, even temporarily, is not a decision to be taken lightly but we are confident that this is the right way forward,’ says Lee Firman, Divisional Operations Manager.
‘The RNLI has a duty of care to its lifeboat volunteers and to ensure that they feel safe, accepted and can volunteer within a welcoming environment. They should also expect to receive the right training, skills and equipment to meet the challenge of saving lives at sea. This is what we will be working with the New Brighton crew to achieve,’ Firman says.
The RNLI expects all lifeboat crew to abide by its codes of conduct and to ensure their skills and training are kept up to date. Where this is not the case, particularly where negative behaviour is involved, the RNLI will not hesitate to intervene and help crew become a coherent, safe and efficient team. The RNLI strives to create a culture within lifeboat stations where crew members can trust each other, and are able to progress and develop into senior roles.
‘New Brighton has a proud history of lifesaving and we are confident that, with the goodwill of the volunteers, the lifeboat will soon be back on service for the people of Merseyside and the Wirral,’ Firman says.
Athlon said:
Not really the right place but this is the statement from the RNLI:
The RNLI will take New Brighton lifeboat station temporarily off service for several weeks following a dispute with several lifeboat and hovercraft crew volunteers over a new training programme and the station’s management
The charity has decided to stand down several volunteers who have refused to commit to the standards required of all RNLI volunteers, which means that New Brighton will not be able to operate safely in the short term.
Over the next few weeks, RNLI teams will work with the station’s remaining volunteers, offering enhanced training and support, and creating a more positive environment for the crew. We aim to reopen the lifeboat station for a period in August.
We would like to reassure the public that we are confident that the lifesaving service provided by the RNLI to the people of Merseyside and the Wirral will continue to be carried out effectively by RNLI lifeboats stationed at Hoylake, West Kirby and by local lifeguards. The area will also continue to be served by Mersey Marine Fire 1 and we are working closely with HM Coastguard through this interim period.
The station has been affected by a dispute over several issues - the introduction of a new training programme, the station’s management, the outcomes of an investigation into various issues with the lifeboat crew, the attempts to address deficiencies at the lifeboat station and breaches of the RNLI’s Volunteer Code of Conduct. Those stood down are clearly unhappy but they do not represent the views of the majority of the crew, who we are pleased to say want to continue with the RNLI.
We plan to train the remaining crew to the required standard and also ensure they subscribe to the RNLI’s values and codes of conduct, which are critical to the running of a first-class lifesaving service. We will also be seeking to recruit new lifeboat crew to the station.
‘We explored a number of options for New Brighton before taking this step. Closing a lifeboat station, even temporarily, is not a decision to be taken lightly but we are confident that this is the right way forward,’ says Lee Firman, Divisional Operations Manager.
‘The RNLI has a duty of care to its lifeboat volunteers and to ensure that they feel safe, accepted and can volunteer within a welcoming environment. They should also expect to receive the right training, skills and equipment to meet the challenge of saving lives at sea. This is what we will be working with the New Brighton crew to achieve,’ Firman says.
The RNLI expects all lifeboat crew to abide by its codes of conduct and to ensure their skills and training are kept up to date. Where this is not the case, particularly where negative behaviour is involved, the RNLI will not hesitate to intervene and help crew become a coherent, safe and efficient team. The RNLI strives to create a culture within lifeboat stations where crew members can trust each other, and are able to progress and develop into senior roles.
‘New Brighton has a proud history of lifesaving and we are confident that, with the goodwill of the volunteers, the lifeboat will soon be back on service for the people of Merseyside and the Wirral,’ Firman says.
what is "negative behaviour" is it someone with 20 plus years experience not taking kindly to some young fella telling him he has been doing it wrong for all those years.The RNLI will take New Brighton lifeboat station temporarily off service for several weeks following a dispute with several lifeboat and hovercraft crew volunteers over a new training programme and the station’s management
The charity has decided to stand down several volunteers who have refused to commit to the standards required of all RNLI volunteers, which means that New Brighton will not be able to operate safely in the short term.
Over the next few weeks, RNLI teams will work with the station’s remaining volunteers, offering enhanced training and support, and creating a more positive environment for the crew. We aim to reopen the lifeboat station for a period in August.
We would like to reassure the public that we are confident that the lifesaving service provided by the RNLI to the people of Merseyside and the Wirral will continue to be carried out effectively by RNLI lifeboats stationed at Hoylake, West Kirby and by local lifeguards. The area will also continue to be served by Mersey Marine Fire 1 and we are working closely with HM Coastguard through this interim period.
The station has been affected by a dispute over several issues - the introduction of a new training programme, the station’s management, the outcomes of an investigation into various issues with the lifeboat crew, the attempts to address deficiencies at the lifeboat station and breaches of the RNLI’s Volunteer Code of Conduct. Those stood down are clearly unhappy but they do not represent the views of the majority of the crew, who we are pleased to say want to continue with the RNLI.
We plan to train the remaining crew to the required standard and also ensure they subscribe to the RNLI’s values and codes of conduct, which are critical to the running of a first-class lifesaving service. We will also be seeking to recruit new lifeboat crew to the station.
‘We explored a number of options for New Brighton before taking this step. Closing a lifeboat station, even temporarily, is not a decision to be taken lightly but we are confident that this is the right way forward,’ says Lee Firman, Divisional Operations Manager.
‘The RNLI has a duty of care to its lifeboat volunteers and to ensure that they feel safe, accepted and can volunteer within a welcoming environment. They should also expect to receive the right training, skills and equipment to meet the challenge of saving lives at sea. This is what we will be working with the New Brighton crew to achieve,’ Firman says.
The RNLI expects all lifeboat crew to abide by its codes of conduct and to ensure their skills and training are kept up to date. Where this is not the case, particularly where negative behaviour is involved, the RNLI will not hesitate to intervene and help crew become a coherent, safe and efficient team. The RNLI strives to create a culture within lifeboat stations where crew members can trust each other, and are able to progress and develop into senior roles.
‘New Brighton has a proud history of lifesaving and we are confident that, with the goodwill of the volunteers, the lifeboat will soon be back on service for the people of Merseyside and the Wirral,’ Firman says.
johnxjsc1985 said:
what is "negative behaviour" is it someone with 20 plus years experience not taking kindly to some young fella telling him he has been doing it wrong for all those years.
Just because someone has been doing something for 20 years does not mean that they are doing it right. A lot of plane crashes happened because people were scared to speak up to a more senior/experienced pilot when they weren't doing things right. That's why just culture was introduced in the aviation industry to try and reduce incidents. ecsrobin said:
Just because someone has been doing something for 20 years does not mean that they are doing it right. A lot of plane crashes happened because people were scared to speak up to a more senior/experienced pilot when they weren't doing things right. That's why just culture was introduced in the aviation industry to try and reduce incidents.
if they have survived 20 years on a life boat they have been doing far more right than wrong.johnxjsc1985 said:
ecsrobin said:
Just because someone has been doing something for 20 years does not mean that they are doing it right. A lot of plane crashes happened because people were scared to speak up to a more senior/experienced pilot when they weren't doing things right. That's why just culture was introduced in the aviation industry to try and reduce incidents.
if they have survived 20 years on a life boat they have been doing far more right than wrong.ecsrobin said:
Are you the disgruntled crew member? As Eric said or been lucky. Bad practices used to be ignored but you can't have everyone being trained in a set way and one bad egg going freestyle it's not healthy to a team and can cause accidents.
No I am not a disgruntled crew member. You are making assumptions based on what exactly and this is my point I just want to know why such experienced Crew members have been lost. Its an area I know well as I have my boat on the Dee and the people I have met from the lifeboats have all been good lads.How cool to see a grand daughter and a granddad together.
johnxjsc1985 said:
ecsrobin said:
Are you the disgruntled crew member? As Eric said or been lucky. Bad practices used to be ignored but you can't have everyone being trained in a set way and one bad egg going freestyle it's not healthy to a team and can cause accidents.
No I am not a disgruntled crew member. You are making assumptions based on what exactly and this is my point I just want to know why such experienced Crew members have been lost. Its an area I know well as I have my boat on the Dee and the people I have met from the lifeboats have all been good lads.How cool to see a grand daughter and a granddad together.
http://www.ybw.com/news-from-yachting-boating-worl...
http://m.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/14642095.Dismissed...
johnxjsc1985 said:
ecsrobin said:
Are you the disgruntled crew member? As Eric said or been lucky. Bad practices used to be ignored but you can't have everyone being trained in a set way and one bad egg going freestyle it's not healthy to a team and can cause accidents.
No I am not a disgruntled crew member. You are making assumptions based on what exactly and this is my point I just want to know why such experienced Crew members have been lost. Its an area I know well as I have my boat on the Dee and the people I have met from the lifeboats have all been good lads.How cool to see a grand daughter and a granddad together.
Anyway back to the programme.
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