The Walking Dead Series 7 - No spoilers please.
Discussion
Halb said:
The current story is nothing like previous stories.
How do you figure?What I am seeing is the group had a safe place and lost it, are now making do under a threat, bit of gardening and scavenging, bit of gore, deaths of a few marginal characters to maintain some kind of tempo while our 'group' go through various grieving processes and crises of confidence. We have met a new group (and a bonus group) and now we are moving towards the inevitable, entirely consistent with every other season, regroup and battle at the end of this one.
It's really no different, and best summed up by The Daily Mash article on a previous page.
Of course this season has got bonus repetitive material in having - one of the characters either proclaiming they will, or attempting to, kill Negan . . . and then the contentless speech from Negan where his bounces on his knees and puts a strong emphasis on each word so we know 'JUst HOw SERious He Is'
gregs656 said:
How do you figure?
What I am seeing is the group had a safe place and lost it, are now making do under a threat, bit of gardening and scavenging, bit of gore, deaths of a few marginal characters to maintain some kind of tempo while our 'group' go through various grieving processes and crises of confidence. We have met a new group (and a bonus group) and now we are moving towards the inevitable, entirely consistent with every other season, regroup and battle at the end of this one.
It's really no different, and best summed up by The Daily Mash article on a previous page.
Of course this season has got bonus repetitive material in having - one of the characters either proclaiming they will, or attempting to, kill Negan . . . and then the contentless speech from Negan where his bounces on his knees and puts a strong emphasis on each word so we know 'JUst HOw SERious He Is'
By using the adjective, 'nothing', I may have overreached. What I am seeing is the group had a safe place and lost it, are now making do under a threat, bit of gardening and scavenging, bit of gore, deaths of a few marginal characters to maintain some kind of tempo while our 'group' go through various grieving processes and crises of confidence. We have met a new group (and a bonus group) and now we are moving towards the inevitable, entirely consistent with every other season, regroup and battle at the end of this one.
It's really no different, and best summed up by The Daily Mash article on a previous page.
Of course this season has got bonus repetitive material in having - one of the characters either proclaiming they will, or attempting to, kill Negan . . . and then the contentless speech from Negan where his bounces on his knees and puts a strong emphasis on each word so we know 'JUst HOw SERious He Is'
Rick and team have not had their spirit beaten before, they never gave in to the Guv'nor or lost hope with the cannibals. Here, Negan first had beaten them, and then he broke them with two deaths and we had an ace ep where he broke Rick. And then life went on as normal, with Negan lording it over them. The dynamic is different, the threat seems insurmountable. This isn't a straight fight, as it was before.
gregs656 said:
Efbe said:
I am enjoying this series, the reason I am enjoying it is because I have gone off, watched a load load of other rubbish since last season and realised quite how many shows regurgitate the same s
t week after week, series after series.
The whole show has been a rinse and repeat of the same story for the last several seasons and this season is going exactly the same way.t week after week, series after series.The storyline must contain zombies, survival and enemies. Of course those elements will remain, because that is the premise of the show.
Other than that we have had:
The start - Grouping up and escaping Atlanta
The Farm - Getting to grips with integrating with another group, Shane vs Rick
The Prison - Fighting off a virulent virus.
The Governor - All out war with another group that has ties through Merle and Andrea.
The Terminus - Canabalistic group, Getting Captured then Carol saving them.
Alexandria - Finding a peaceful new group to integrate with. the dynamics of Ricks group no longer being the nice guys, and fighting off the nutjobs (wolves)
Negan/Ezekiel - Meeting Negan who completely dominates and overwhelms them. First time we see a submissive group, and how they fight back from this.
No two major storylines have been that close, other than the given themes which must exist.
Characters have changed rapidly, main characters killed off, more brought in. I can't think of any series that has been so ruthless in its approach to the main characters. Shane/Lori/Glenn/Tyreese/Beth/Abraham/Andrea all killed off.
There have been less interesting and fun segments, but each to their own, some dislike negan, for myself the governor storyline. But there has been huge varation.
Efbe said:
I disagree.
The storyline must contain zombies, survival and enemies. Of course those elements will remain, because that is the premise of the show.
Other than that we have had:
The start - Grouping up and escaping Atlanta
The Farm - Getting to grips with integrating with another group, Shane vs Rick
The Prison - Fighting off a virulent virus.
The Governor - All out war with another group that has ties through Merle and Andrea.
The Terminus - Canabalistic group, Getting Captured then Carol saving them.
Alexandria - Finding a peaceful new group to integrate with. the dynamics of Ricks group no longer being the nice guys, and fighting off the nutjobs (wolves)
Negan/Ezekiel - Meeting Negan who completely dominates and overwhelms them. First time we see a submissive group, and how they fight back from this.
No two major storylines have been that close, other than the given themes which must exist.
Characters have changed rapidly, main characters killed off, more brought in. I can't think of any series that has been so ruthless in its approach to the main characters. Shane/Lori/Glenn/Tyreese/Beth/Abraham/Andrea all killed off.
There have been less interesting and fun segments, but each to their own, some dislike negan, for myself the governor storyline. But there has been huge varation.
Very well said. The storyline must contain zombies, survival and enemies. Of course those elements will remain, because that is the premise of the show.
Other than that we have had:
The start - Grouping up and escaping Atlanta
The Farm - Getting to grips with integrating with another group, Shane vs Rick
The Prison - Fighting off a virulent virus.
The Governor - All out war with another group that has ties through Merle and Andrea.
The Terminus - Canabalistic group, Getting Captured then Carol saving them.
Alexandria - Finding a peaceful new group to integrate with. the dynamics of Ricks group no longer being the nice guys, and fighting off the nutjobs (wolves)
Negan/Ezekiel - Meeting Negan who completely dominates and overwhelms them. First time we see a submissive group, and how they fight back from this.
No two major storylines have been that close, other than the given themes which must exist.
Characters have changed rapidly, main characters killed off, more brought in. I can't think of any series that has been so ruthless in its approach to the main characters. Shane/Lori/Glenn/Tyreese/Beth/Abraham/Andrea all killed off.
There have been less interesting and fun segments, but each to their own, some dislike negan, for myself the governor storyline. But there has been huge varation.
Then I suppose we agree to disagree, but I find the show extremely repetitive. A lot of shows are and in some shows the repetitiveness provides the context for a bigger story, but we don't get that in TWD because there is no bigger story; there is no end point or resolution. The repetitiveness is compounded because the show was always high stakes so they don't really have much headroom.
They have painted them selves into a corner with it all I think, which is presumably why viewers are declining quickly.
They have painted them selves into a corner with it all I think, which is presumably why viewers are declining quickly.
gregs656 said:
Then I suppose we agree to disagree, but I find the show extremely repetitive. A lot of shows are and in some shows the repetitiveness provides the context for a bigger story, but we don't get that in TWD because there is no bigger story; there is no end point or resolution. The repetitiveness is compounded because the show was always high stakes so they don't really have much headroom.
They have painted them selves into a corner with it all I think, which is presumably why viewers are declining quickly.
Understood, and agreed on the "bigger picture" part. There was for a while, this was getting Eugene to DC(?) to get a cureThey have painted them selves into a corner with it all I think, which is presumably why viewers are declining quickly.
We had that for a good few series. Granted this is gone now.
But what bigger picture can you have? Survival is the bigger picture. TWD has brought in the theme of the futility of their situation, and compounded this multiple times. This is where we are at now.
I am unsure of what you consider specifically to be repetitive.
Is it finding a safe haven, then is inevitably flawed and the lose? If so, this is inherent to the Zombie theme. Continuous movement cannot work with a group of any size. you would not be able to scavenge enough food. Finding/Building a base is a pre-requisite to survival.
And imaging how repetitive it would be if they did find a perfectly safe and awesome base.
I find structure of each season, and the events with in them, to be highly repetitive. I mentioned this earlier but - http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainm...
No one was surprised to see Rick get his mojo back, no one was surprised someone died, no one will be surprised when Carol fights, no one will be surprised when the groups all join up etc. No one will be surprised at the end of this season when they are all either looking at or walking away from their burning ex-safe haven (with a walker or two in the shot for good measure.
If you think of the really good TV series - take The Wire for example - it's a cop show and it fits within the boundaries of a cop show - but the story it tells spans the entire series, and each season approaches things from a fresh perspective and deals with different problems, characters come and go and rise and fall.
TWD has stayed very much within it's bubble.
No one was surprised to see Rick get his mojo back, no one was surprised someone died, no one will be surprised when Carol fights, no one will be surprised when the groups all join up etc. No one will be surprised at the end of this season when they are all either looking at or walking away from their burning ex-safe haven (with a walker or two in the shot for good measure.
If you think of the really good TV series - take The Wire for example - it's a cop show and it fits within the boundaries of a cop show - but the story it tells spans the entire series, and each season approaches things from a fresh perspective and deals with different problems, characters come and go and rise and fall.
TWD has stayed very much within it's bubble.
Efbe said:
I disagree.
The storyline must contain zombies, survival and enemies. Of course those elements will remain, because that is the premise of the show.
Other than that we have had:
The start - Grouping up and escaping Atlanta
The Farm - Getting to grips with integrating with another group, Shane vs Rick
The Prison - Fighting off a virulent virus.
The Governor - All out war with another group that has ties through Merle and Andrea.
The Terminus - Canabalistic group, Getting Captured then Carol saving them.
Alexandria - Finding a peaceful new group to integrate with. the dynamics of Ricks group no longer being the nice guys, and fighting off the nutjobs (wolves)
Negan/Ezekiel - Meeting Negan who completely dominates and overwhelms them. First time we see a submissive group, and how they fight back from this.
No two major storylines have been that close, other than the given themes which must exist.
Characters have changed rapidly, main characters killed off, more brought in. I can't think of any series that has been so ruthless in its approach to the main characters. Shane/Lori/Glenn/Tyreese/Beth/Abraham/Andrea all killed off.
There have been less interesting and fun segments, but each to their own, some dislike negan, for myself the governor storyline. But there has been huge varation.
The repetition is more in the very nature of the setting/world they now live in:The storyline must contain zombies, survival and enemies. Of course those elements will remain, because that is the premise of the show.
Other than that we have had:
The start - Grouping up and escaping Atlanta
The Farm - Getting to grips with integrating with another group, Shane vs Rick
The Prison - Fighting off a virulent virus.
The Governor - All out war with another group that has ties through Merle and Andrea.
The Terminus - Canabalistic group, Getting Captured then Carol saving them.
Alexandria - Finding a peaceful new group to integrate with. the dynamics of Ricks group no longer being the nice guys, and fighting off the nutjobs (wolves)
Negan/Ezekiel - Meeting Negan who completely dominates and overwhelms them. First time we see a submissive group, and how they fight back from this.
No two major storylines have been that close, other than the given themes which must exist.
Characters have changed rapidly, main characters killed off, more brought in. I can't think of any series that has been so ruthless in its approach to the main characters. Shane/Lori/Glenn/Tyreese/Beth/Abraham/Andrea all killed off.
There have been less interesting and fun segments, but each to their own, some dislike negan, for myself the governor storyline. But there has been huge varation.
The team needs sanctuary and either they are on the way there OR it is under threat (from Zs or other survivors) - otherwise no tension.
RVs
Farm
Prison
Terminus
Alexandria
Sure some seasons are road trips and some are integrations but the over-arching theme will always be the same.
Lost, somewhat similarly, suffered from the same issue and used far lengthier flashbacks to tell the story AND did what The Wire did in terms of switching perspective of the main focus (5-0, Stevedores, dealers, Kids, journos etc... vs. front of plane, back of plane, The Others and some other others...).
TWD has mostly stuck to the Rick story with the odd few eps giving someone else the lead rather than an entire season based on say "Negan's rise to power and inexplicable ignoring of the Wolves"-season!
walm said:
The repetition is more in the very nature of the setting/world they now live in:
The team needs sanctuary and either they are on the way there OR it is under threat (from Zs or other survivors) - otherwise no tension.
RVs
Farm
Prison
Terminus
Alexandria
Sure some seasons are road trips and some are integrations but the over-arching theme will always be the same.
Lost, somewhat similarly, suffered from the same issue and used far lengthier flashbacks to tell the story AND did what The Wire did in terms of switching perspective of the main focus (5-0, Stevedores, dealers, Kids, journos etc... vs. front of plane, back of plane, The Others and some other others...).
TWD has mostly stuck to the Rick story with the odd few eps giving someone else the lead rather than an entire season based on say "Negan's rise to power and inexplicable ignoring of the Wolves"-season!
Whilst I am one of the few that seem to enjoy Fear The Walking Dead, I do think the producers missed the opportunity to take TWD somewhere new, and explore boats, water and a pretty obvious progression/trial of survival by going down that route. Instead they created a new show that has not been received so well (And how could it, given the themes have all been played out ten fold on TWD).The team needs sanctuary and either they are on the way there OR it is under threat (from Zs or other survivors) - otherwise no tension.
RVs
Farm
Prison
Terminus
Alexandria
Sure some seasons are road trips and some are integrations but the over-arching theme will always be the same.
Lost, somewhat similarly, suffered from the same issue and used far lengthier flashbacks to tell the story AND did what The Wire did in terms of switching perspective of the main focus (5-0, Stevedores, dealers, Kids, journos etc... vs. front of plane, back of plane, The Others and some other others...).
TWD has mostly stuck to the Rick story with the odd few eps giving someone else the lead rather than an entire season based on say "Negan's rise to power and inexplicable ignoring of the Wolves"-season!
Whilst I don't think TWD is repetitive within the confines of the broad themes of the show, I do think there are other places I would take it personally that seem logical.
Getting to open countryside/hills/mountains and finding somewhere with decent views.
Or heading to water, find an island.
Look for a military base to use (potentially a bit similar to the prison)
Some coverage of a government network starting back up (now would replicate FTWD)
I think this story is different as it is mostly about starting to rebuild civilisation with the networking of communities.
Before it's only been about the solo protagonists.
I can see the repetition but not sure how it could be solved except finishing the story with them living happily ever after or all dead. If you want the TV show you have to except it to an extent.
Before it's only been about the solo protagonists.
I can see the repetition but not sure how it could be solved except finishing the story with them living happily ever after or all dead. If you want the TV show you have to except it to an extent.
I think I'd just like them to take a different route to the comics. I'm sure I read somewhere that TWD was never meant to be longer than 10 seasons, and while I don't wish it away I'm not excited by the upcoming plotlines if indeed it does stick to the comics.
Personally, I'd like them to get through the Negan bit in a much different way than the comics do, and then move on to maybe trying to find salvation/civilisation and show us a bit more of the world and wrap it up that way. Doesn't have to be a happy ending, but i'd like them to know what the ending is and start to work towards it.
Personally, I'd like them to get through the Negan bit in a much different way than the comics do, and then move on to maybe trying to find salvation/civilisation and show us a bit more of the world and wrap it up that way. Doesn't have to be a happy ending, but i'd like them to know what the ending is and start to work towards it.
There will never be a 'salvation', or a return to the old world, that's finished. All humans are carriers and the infrastructure to work out what it is seems to have finished...a possible Chinese bunker somewhere?
I think the show shows the tribal nature of humans and their petty squabbles brilliantly. The comic does do it better.
I think the show shows the tribal nature of humans and their petty squabbles brilliantly. The comic does do it better.
lemmingjames said:
tommunster10 said:
Last episode was one of the better ones, as a gamer I really enjoyed the "Get to the boat to get loot without drowning or eaten by Z's" section.
Brilliant!
Then they drive the van around and load it up from the houseBrilliant!
While I'm not missing TWD, I did trip over Fear TWD season 2 on iTunes on New Years Eve and have watched all 15episodes back to back and have to say TWD Tijuana was just so much more interesting than TWD Georgia, perhaps it's the novelty and it's only season 2 so the characters are not repeating the same mistakes over and over and I don't think the show is stuck in the same locale due to the show sponsor (I could be wrong) but it's not a great advert for Mexico if it's also sponsored by the tourist board.
I enjoyed that, and it just had a more interesting tone to it. I'd recommend it.
I enjoyed that, and it just had a more interesting tone to it. I'd recommend it.
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