All season tyres...where's the downside (for daily use)?

All season tyres...where's the downside (for daily use)?

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crosseyedlion

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2,175 posts

198 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Hi all
I need 4 tyres on my old merc soon, not due to wear, but that the Michelin's are perishing!

I've always ruled out winter tyres due to the compromise in the summer. But what are tyres like Michelin's wintrac like used all year. Crap mpg, noisy? Rubbish dry/warm weather grip?

I'd just get good summers on again but I do a lot of driving before 6am now from Sheffield, the extra security around 0 and in the wet would be appreciated. 220 HP, rwd, no traction control, skinny 205 width tyres.

I wouldn't want to take a hit on mpg though, are they much worse?

fivepointnine

708 posts

114 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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If I were going to run all season's I would look into Nokian or Vredestein's.

hashtag

1,116 posts

154 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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I have always been a fan of vreds so fitted some of their all weather tyres to a mercedes.


No obvious difference in traction between them and standard tyres.


I am in Sheffield too!


The Michelin cross climate I would look at, if they had sizes that fitted my wheels

f1nn

2,693 posts

192 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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There is likely no tangible downsides. They will likely not be as good as a summer tyre or a dedicated winter tyre in extreme use that you are not likely to drive an old Merc at, but in reality will be absolutely fine.

Kawasicki

13,083 posts

235 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Downsides...not as good on snow as winter tyres, not as good on warm roads as summer tyres.

I just bought a set of Michelin Crossclimates. I'm curious how they drive.

kambites

67,560 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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They're somewhere between a summer and a winter; like for like in terms of price they tend to give worse grip in the summer than a summer tyre and worse grip in the winter than a winter tyre. Probably a sensible compromise on a mainstream car in the UK if you only intend to run one set of tyres.

Michelin Crossclimates have been better good reviews, although I haven't experienced them myself.

Freds

947 posts

137 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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kambites said:
They're somewhere between a summer and a winter; like for like in terms of price they tend to give worse grip in the summer than a summer tyre and worse grip in the winter than a winter tyre. Probably a sensible compromise on a mainstream car in the UK if you only intend to run one set of tyres.
What this fella says ^^. Cross Climates are getting very good reviews, it's a summer tyre with some winter capability. The Nokian Weatherproof also get good reviews, this is more of a winter tyre which can be used year round, excellent in snow with summer capability. Neither of these will be as good in serious winter weather as a premium winter specific tyre such as the Continental TS850. In Sheffield I would suggest the cross climate would be a good option if it's available in your size.

Evanivitch

20,075 posts

122 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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I will definitely be moving onto CrossClimates as the EnergySaver+ will soon be reaching the end of their life.

The CC performance is just so much better in the wet and dry braking, and barely worse then the summer. And yet it's not a winter tyre but still has the capability to allow you to go-slow and safe.
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Is-there-a-tr...

Sheepshanks

32,756 posts

119 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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crosseyedlion said:
Hi all
I need 4 tyres on my old merc soon, not due to wear, but that the Michelin's are perishing!
I'm running All Season's on my Merc C270CDi- Vredestein Quatrac 3 on the front and Kumho Solus Vier KH21 on the rear as no manufacturer does both the front and rear sizes to suit the car's staggered set-up.

I use it mostly for long distance cruising so I'm not really testing handling, but the car feels exactly the same to me as when it had summer Michelin Primacy HPs. The All Season's aren't even any noisier. They were also 2/3 the price of the Michelin's.

MPG is the same too, and the rears are well on track to considerably outlast the Michelins.

Sheepshanks

32,756 posts

119 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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kambites said:
Michelin Crossclimates have been better good reviews, although I haven't experienced them myself.
Put them on daughter's Golf a couple of years ago. They work fine - quiet and comfortable. She uses country lanes a lot and lives on a hill although as yet they've never been seriously tested. Wearing well.

We also have a Honda Jazz in the family that has run full winter Michelin Alpins year-round for a few years. Again they work fine in everyday use - I drove the car some distance up the M6 in torrential rain in cold weather one Christmas and they inspired a lot of confidence.

Again, wearing well - they'll considerably outlasted the Dunlop SP2030 tyres the car came with, although the Dunlop's worked very well in the 2009 and 10 winters, indicating they must be pretty soft.

Edited by Sheepshanks on Sunday 23 October 22:34

SWoll

18,373 posts

258 months

canonbeck

30 posts

111 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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I've been running a full set of cross climates for about a year now and I have to say they've impressed me so far. I'm just about to switch over to a new (even older) barge and I'll definitely be putting a set on that one too...

wst

3,494 posts

161 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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I ran Bridgestone A001's for over a year. First just ran them in winter, then refitted the summers. The next winter, I just left them on. Wonderful in the rain (confident grip in deluge conditions, frankly), standing water became much less fearsome (didn't pull at the steering if you only put one wheel in a puddle, etc). There was enough grip for what I was doing. Braking performance was alright, it was vastly better than the summers when I was (rarely) on snow.

The compromise was the already fairly... well, it was a Corsa C, so it wasn't precise to drive... crap feel was a bit worse, through the steering. They did get a bit greasy feeling if you worked them hard on a hot day.

I'd do it again on an appliance car. Not on something more interesting.

laters

324 posts

114 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Ive been running cross climates all round for the last 14 months.
In that time they have been superb. Over last winter there was little to no ice or snow so cant really comment.
They are very impressive with their wet weather performance. On wet or very wet roads I can safely say they are the best tyre I have had fitted for a good few years.


pits

6,429 posts

190 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Generally run the Vreds all year round, but past few cars have come on decent tyres so not put them on as such.
They grip as good as a standard mid-premium range tyre in the summer and almost as good as proper winters in the winter, but I really noticed no difference, I didn't get stuck on winters in the snow in BMW and didn't get stuck on all seasons in the snow in BMW.

Monkeylegend

26,386 posts

231 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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I have been running Conti T830 winter sports on my Merc for the last 2 years and I have yet to find any downsides. They are also extremely hard wearing, don't melt or feel any different in hot weather, and are brilliant in the winter.

Freds

947 posts

137 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Monkeylegend said:
I have been running Conti T830 winter sports on my Merc for the last 2 years and I have yet to find any downsides. They are also extremely hard wearing, don't melt or feel any different in hot weather, and are brilliant in the winter.
We have TS850P Contis on our Subarus over the winter months, while the cars are already superb in snow these tyres improve things further. Highly recommended.

Monkeylegend

26,386 posts

231 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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I think the all round performance of premium winter tyres now are getting to the point where they make summer tyres redundant.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

246 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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This stuff is all a lot of internet tarting about.

Unless you live on the North face of the Eiger just go out and buy some decent tyres.

Monkeylegend

26,386 posts

231 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Conti winters are decent tyres.