Planet Earth 2
Discussion
Japveesix said:
Biker 1 said:
I'm not suggesting for one minute that this show should be some sort of gore-fest, but it seems to me that EVERY large cat/tiger/lion hunt shown on Planet Earth 2 appears to 'fail'. Surely they didn't send an entire TV production team, with 4K cameras, drones, spy-cams, & wildlife experts half way round the world to consistently film failed hunts? There must have been some 'successful' kills - perhaps the BBC think we're too squeamish??.
Really? They showed a lion hanging on to the back of the buffalo with claws dug in, teeth pulling out a big chunk of skin and blood everywhere. In closeup.Perhaps, just perhaps, it's not that easy to capture (in perfect multiple angle HD detail) a successful hunt in a huge impenetrable wetland area with a pride that spend 20+ hours a day sleeping and are only successful with 1/10 or whatever hunts. But who knows.
The vast majority of predator hunts do fail.
If you're expecting (more) gore from every one it's because you've previously been fed the Hollywood-ised version, not because you're getting it now.
Prides of lions enjoy one of the highest large predator success rates at around 1 in 3 - and about half that if they're hunting solo (which is a thing you never see on t'telly but is itself about half of all lion hunts).
A solo wolf, not a pack - vague guess based on the lion stats and the size/strength/stamina of even newborn caribou etc, won't get an accurate result without going rootling through a load of papers as it'll vary by area and prey so much - it's gotta be a terrible hit rate, worse than 1 in 10, maybe 1 in 20?
If you're expecting (more) gore from every one it's because you've previously been fed the Hollywood-ised version, not because you're getting it now.
Prides of lions enjoy one of the highest large predator success rates at around 1 in 3 - and about half that if they're hunting solo (which is a thing you never see on t'telly but is itself about half of all lion hunts).
A solo wolf, not a pack - vague guess based on the lion stats and the size/strength/stamina of even newborn caribou etc, won't get an accurate result without going rootling through a load of papers as it'll vary by area and prey so much - it's gotta be a terrible hit rate, worse than 1 in 10, maybe 1 in 20?
Smollet said:
Just watching Savage Kingdom on NatGeo Wild and there's plenty of fluffy things getting ripped to pieces if anyone's in need of some gore denied them by the BBC
I'm not sure anyone was actively seeking gore (I certainly wasn't), but rather they were pointing out that Planet Earth 2 seems to be a little more squeamish and fluffy about showing the reality of the food chain than wildlife documentaries of the past. Or so it seems, anyway. I rather suspect it is a reflection on society, as the "precious snowflake" generation need to have their cosy world view reinforced.
Edit: Although in the light of the post from FlyingMeeces, perhaps it is wildlife documentaries of the past that are to blame.
Edited by ClockworkCupcake on Monday 5th December 18:47
FlyingMeeces said:
The vast majority of predator hunts do fail.
If you're expecting (more) gore from every one it's because you've previously been fed the Hollywood-ised version, not because you're getting it now.
Prides of lions enjoy one of the highest large predator success rates at around 1 in 3 - and about half that if they're hunting solo (which is a thing you never see on t'telly but is itself about half of all lion hunts).
A solo wolf, not a pack - vague guess based on the lion stats and the size/strength/stamina of even newborn caribou etc, won't get an accurate result without going rootling through a load of papers as it'll vary by area and prey so much - it's gotta be a terrible hit rate, worse than 1 in 10, maybe 1 in 20?
I was being facetious. I've been watching nature for over 55 years and I'm well aware of the fact that most hunts fail. I've failed myself many times. fIf you're expecting (more) gore from every one it's because you've previously been fed the Hollywood-ised version, not because you're getting it now.
Prides of lions enjoy one of the highest large predator success rates at around 1 in 3 - and about half that if they're hunting solo (which is a thing you never see on t'telly but is itself about half of all lion hunts).
A solo wolf, not a pack - vague guess based on the lion stats and the size/strength/stamina of even newborn caribou etc, won't get an accurate result without going rootling through a load of papers as it'll vary by area and prey so much - it's gotta be a terrible hit rate, worse than 1 in 10, maybe 1 in 20?
k all to do with being fed or not by Hollywood. See what I did there 
Smollet said:
I was being facetious. I've been watching nature for over 55 years and I'm well aware of the fact that most hunts fail. I've failed myself many times. fk all to do with being fed or not by Hollywood. See what I did there
k all to do with being fed or not by Hollywood. See what I did there 
I wouldn't mind getting fed by Hollywood, some of the stuff he did on Bake Off looked great. 
... apologies, actually, I was writing my post when you put yours up - got interrupted by a mate bearing coffee and doughnuts, the hardship! - and hadn't even seen it until just now.
We're watching the 21st century reboot of Life on Earth which, IIRC, was first broadcast in the 1970s. The producers and production folk will be from a completely different generation and the onsell/broadcast requirements will be similarly completely different. I guess the stark reality is slightly set to one side whilst maintaining the "hope" in the story. The lioness on the back of the buffalo was pretty gruesome though and I thought the prey would succumb, but no, not this week.
Film/video quality is excellent. Well done to all involved.
Film/video quality is excellent. Well done to all involved.
Edited by checkmate91 on Tuesday 6th December 09:02
Poor lion hanging onto the back of that massive buffalo thing whilst everyone else just watched
Must admit I get pretty bored by all the weird birds trying to mate. Bison and tigers much more impressive. Got to say, having if elephants, tigers and bears were going round smashing cameras (and bending scaffolding tubes) in the dark I wouldn't be staying in a little grass Hut for three days right there.
Must admit I get pretty bored by all the weird birds trying to mate. Bison and tigers much more impressive. Got to say, having if elephants, tigers and bears were going round smashing cameras (and bending scaffolding tubes) in the dark I wouldn't be staying in a little grass Hut for three days right there.
skinny said:
Got to say, having if elephants, tigers and bears were going round smashing cameras (and bending scaffolding tubes) in the dark I wouldn't be staying in a little grass Hut for three days right there.
Thought the grass hut was well risky. The things with four legs, sharp teeth and claws would have smelt him, found him, and bent his rifle round his neck before ripping him a new one.Cobnapint said:
Thought the grass hut was well risky. The things with four legs, sharp teeth and claws would have smelt him, found him, and bent his rifle round his neck before ripping him a new one.
Not to mention the snakes & creepy crawlies in that part of the world 
& no, as mentioned by others, I'm not insisting on a gore-fest, but the snowflake generation appear to being pandered to here.
Would be nice to see less weird birds & more snakes/cats/carnivores with razor sharp teeth though....
316Mining said:
Goats are members of a group of mammals termed 'ungulates'. To be part of the ungulate family of mammals you have to have hoofs, as it literally means 'hoofed animals'.
So if you find a 'goat' with claws, it isn't a goat as goats are ungulates and are defined as having hoofs.
Whales are ungulates. So if you find a 'goat' with claws, it isn't a goat as goats are ungulates and are defined as having hoofs.
hairykrishna said:
316Mining said:
Goats are members of a group of mammals termed 'ungulates'. To be part of the ungulate family of mammals you have to have hoofs, as it literally means 'hoofed animals'.
So if you find a 'goat' with claws, it isn't a goat as goats are ungulates and are defined as having hoofs.
Whales are ungulates. So if you find a 'goat' with claws, it isn't a goat as goats are ungulates and are defined as having hoofs.
Biologists armed with a range of genetic analysis tools are rewriting some of this stuff at an incredibly fast pace.
Last episode probably the weakest of the series for me but still fantastic to watch and some amazing footage. Will need to buy this on bluray and watch it all on my nice new 4k TV
Epic series, and heres hoping Sir D A has another series in him, because he is irreplaceable in what he does.
Epic series, and heres hoping Sir D A has another series in him, because he is irreplaceable in what he does.
That was a stupendous episode. Although I was a bit worried for Gordon Buchanan, am sure that leopard was probably only curious but I'd be absolutely bricking it in his shoes!
Genuinely feel a bit bereft now the series has finished - agree with other posters, very much hope DA does another documentary or 3 - especially as this one was a very successful proof of concept that he brings a huge amount of great value to them without needing to be physically present on location.
I'd be absolutely bricking it in his shoes! Genuinely feel a bit bereft now the series has finished - agree with other posters, very much hope DA does another documentary or 3 - especially as this one was a very successful proof of concept that he brings a huge amount of great value to them without needing to be physically present on location.
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