Westworld (WITH SPOILERS!!)
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Also, Ford, when he was reviewing the drawing book (after he'd arranged for his new environment-build to stop short of the town with the hispanic children playing with chickens), there was a picture of Delores' face. Next to that was a depiction of what I assume was her inner-design features but not in enough detail. Next page was a drawing of a very mechanical robot - quite unlike the bio-cyborgs that the new ones are supposed to made from.
So, I wonder if Delores' consciousness has been transferred into a bio-bot "recently" or if she's still the same as the weird family that Ford keeps in the woods. Ford did say to Bernard in the cabin-in-the-woods that the new ones gained efficiency but lost the grace of the older ones. Although I don't really get his point, I wonder if this is why he doesn't feel anything towards Delores - because she's no longer a "graceful" mechanoid.
He said the family was the last of the mechanoids that Arnold had built but didn't go so far as to state they were the last of the mechanoids, so Delores *could* still be a mech, but I don't think so based on more recent events.
Elsie tells Bernard that the older models have receivers, so that they can be re-tasked. The newer models don't. That was interesting. Obviously there are more older models than the family then.
Elsie also noted that the reprogrammed older models could "lie to us, or hurt us", and then we see that in the little boy that lied to Ford initially abotu the death of the dog. Is this also the reason for Delores' awakening - her capability to kill the fly in ep1, and subsequent abilities to overcome her inability to use a gun?
Teddy described a man who had been killed over and over, but crawled back to life. Sick of that life, he built a house within a maze so complex only he could navigate through it. This is obviously Arnold but it could be the cabin-in-the-woods I guess.
Asian engineer tells Maeve "We are the same these days, mostly" but that the processing power the hosts have is far in excess of our own. This is important.
So, on one side we have Teddy starting to expand his back story which may lead to him doing something unpredictable (he already said "you don't know me at all" after gatling-gunning down the army), Delores starting to awaken as self-aware, Maeve fully self-aware and advancing through the AI singularity (I guess). And the little boy that killed the dog must mean something too. That was an unscripted behaviour.
On the other side we have Ford's unusual interaction with the hosts - cold towards Delores yet familiar with both her and Teddy, and his unique "ownership" of the family. MiB seeking something. Arnold - what is he to everyone?.. and finally Bernard/Theresa - I'm guessing we're seeing the unfolding story of the advancing AI through at least his eyes, and possibly hers although it's tainted with her possibly being a spy (so she might know something already or she could be working for Arnold).
Speculation over. Can't wait for Monday. And I want my own Maeve.
So, I wonder if Delores' consciousness has been transferred into a bio-bot "recently" or if she's still the same as the weird family that Ford keeps in the woods. Ford did say to Bernard in the cabin-in-the-woods that the new ones gained efficiency but lost the grace of the older ones. Although I don't really get his point, I wonder if this is why he doesn't feel anything towards Delores - because she's no longer a "graceful" mechanoid.
He said the family was the last of the mechanoids that Arnold had built but didn't go so far as to state they were the last of the mechanoids, so Delores *could* still be a mech, but I don't think so based on more recent events.
Elsie tells Bernard that the older models have receivers, so that they can be re-tasked. The newer models don't. That was interesting. Obviously there are more older models than the family then.
Elsie also noted that the reprogrammed older models could "lie to us, or hurt us", and then we see that in the little boy that lied to Ford initially abotu the death of the dog. Is this also the reason for Delores' awakening - her capability to kill the fly in ep1, and subsequent abilities to overcome her inability to use a gun?
Teddy described a man who had been killed over and over, but crawled back to life. Sick of that life, he built a house within a maze so complex only he could navigate through it. This is obviously Arnold but it could be the cabin-in-the-woods I guess.
Asian engineer tells Maeve "We are the same these days, mostly" but that the processing power the hosts have is far in excess of our own. This is important.
So, on one side we have Teddy starting to expand his back story which may lead to him doing something unpredictable (he already said "you don't know me at all" after gatling-gunning down the army), Delores starting to awaken as self-aware, Maeve fully self-aware and advancing through the AI singularity (I guess). And the little boy that killed the dog must mean something too. That was an unscripted behaviour.
On the other side we have Ford's unusual interaction with the hosts - cold towards Delores yet familiar with both her and Teddy, and his unique "ownership" of the family. MiB seeking something. Arnold - what is he to everyone?.. and finally Bernard/Theresa - I'm guessing we're seeing the unfolding story of the advancing AI through at least his eyes, and possibly hers although it's tainted with her possibly being a spy (so she might know something already or she could be working for Arnold).
Speculation over. Can't wait for Monday. And I want my own Maeve.
Edited by Watchman on Saturday 12th November 13:58
Ford says he just wants to tell his stories. It sounds simple and his most recent "act" (still a little afraid to speak it out loud) sort of reinforces that, as if all this comes down to is a simple industry that wants to make money and survive in its modern world (which we haven't seen).
However, there must be some sort of mysticism. MiB and William are on a trek for something bigger... deeper. That has to be answered, doesn't it? There needs to be a big reveal at the end of it all.
Perhaps it all comes down to the society they live in - it's bland and anodyne - they've already said this. Maybe it's just how alien that world is that becomes the big reveal.
Anyway, that answers questions about 2 of the characters.
However, there must be some sort of mysticism. MiB and William are on a trek for something bigger... deeper. That has to be answered, doesn't it? There needs to be a big reveal at the end of it all.
Perhaps it all comes down to the society they live in - it's bland and anodyne - they've already said this. Maybe it's just how alien that world is that becomes the big reveal.
Anyway, that answers questions about 2 of the characters.
red_slr said:
Been watching this - its taken a while to get going. As its JJ Abrams its got to have some proper alien / sci-fi twist at some point!
My guess is something similar to iRobot goes down.
Like the whole thing being run as a simulation by The Machine from Person Of Interest...My guess is something similar to iRobot goes down.
That was a gripping episode. Also, I think this episode now confirms that Vanity Fair article nailed it. All those theories about things not being in one shot and then appearing in another was cemented in the house when she asks "What's behind this door" (clearly no door there when Bernard walked past) and Bernard replies "what door?" (which is now visible in shot). If we remember back to when Ford showed Bernard the photo of a younger self stood next to what we believed to be 'Arnold' but later turns out to be Ford's 'father', it's more than likely Bernard (the real Arnold) would have also been in the photo as well, he just couldn't see it.
Ford's reference to "you people" when he was talking about wanting to tell his stories also makes me further believe he is the ultimate host, he's self aware but nobody else knows (except Arnold)
Also, that bit with the host being rendered at the end, I suspect that is going to be the replacement for the woman that just got killed.
Ford's reference to "you people" when he was talking about wanting to tell his stories also makes me further believe he is the ultimate host, he's self aware but nobody else knows (except Arnold)
Also, that bit with the host being rendered at the end, I suspect that is going to be the replacement for the woman that just got killed.
I think people had this wrong when they talked about Abrams and compared it to Lost, this is very much a Nolan project and all the little hints and clues and stories are carefully constructed to lead somewhere rather than just being a random collection of ideas thrown together in lieu of a plot.
It seems clear so far that if you pay proper attention you can put things together and get the right answers which is always much more rewarding as a story than something that jumps randomly to an unpredictable next step.
Also looking forward to more Nolan exploration of emergent AI.
It seems clear so far that if you pay proper attention you can put things together and get the right answers which is always much more rewarding as a story than something that jumps randomly to an unpredictable next step.
Also looking forward to more Nolan exploration of emergent AI.
Oakey said:
That was a gripping episode. Also, I think this episode now confirms that Vanity Fair article nailed it. All those theories about things not being in one shot and then appearing in another was cemented in the house when she asks "What's behind this door" (clearly no door there when Bernard walked past) and Bernard replies "what door?" (which is now visible in shot). If we remember back to when Ford showed Bernard the photo of a younger self stood next to what we believed to be 'Arnold' but later turns out to be Ford's 'father', it's more than likely Bernard (the real Arnold) would have also been in the photo as well, he just couldn't see it.
Ford's reference to "you people" when he was talking about wanting to tell his stories also makes me further believe he is the ultimate host, he's self aware but nobody else knows (except Arnold)
Also, that bit with the host being rendered at the end, I suspect that is going to be the replacement for the woman that just got killed.
Wow, three genius extrapolations there. Nice one..!! Ford's reference to "you people" when he was talking about wanting to tell his stories also makes me further believe he is the ultimate host, he's self aware but nobody else knows (except Arnold)
Also, that bit with the host being rendered at the end, I suspect that is going to be the replacement for the woman that just got killed.
Also trailer for episode 8.
https://twitter.com/WestworldHBO/status/7981945513...
The "One man's life or death..." is a quote from Robert Walton in the original Frankenstein books. He embarks on his own crazy journey to the North Pole and along the way picks up Victor Frankenstein who tells him about the Monster he's been chasing after. He dies shortly after but not before Walton forms a very close friendship with him.
In the book Walton is the conduit that tells the story of Frankenstein and his monster, while also recklessly pursuing his own scientific endeavours.
In the end Walton calls the mission off, ending the parity between the two. Was Arnold Ford's Frankenstein?
https://twitter.com/WestworldHBO/status/7981945513...
The "One man's life or death..." is a quote from Robert Walton in the original Frankenstein books. He embarks on his own crazy journey to the North Pole and along the way picks up Victor Frankenstein who tells him about the Monster he's been chasing after. He dies shortly after but not before Walton forms a very close friendship with him.
In the book Walton is the conduit that tells the story of Frankenstein and his monster, while also recklessly pursuing his own scientific endeavours.
In the end Walton calls the mission off, ending the parity between the two. Was Arnold Ford's Frankenstein?
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