Westworld (WITH SPOILERS!!)
Discussion
NJK44 said:
Jonesy23 said:
I've got to admit that when I first watched it I never picked up on the whole bit of Maeve and co being rebuilt from scratch without the explosive in the neck. I just saw it as yet another day in refurb.
Where, when, what?This episode you see the skeleton being put together by the machine, then Sylvester comes in and pulls a vertebrae out of the neck and puts another one in place. You then see the body being constructed, come out of the gloop looking like Maeve then cut to Maeve. Meanwhile you see Hector and Armistice also all shiny and new, Hector still waiting to get his scar and Armistice getting her tattoo done, also indicating new builds.
So what has apparently happened is to 'fix' the problem of the explosive they had built in their necks to stop them escaping (and which being a vertebrae can't be removed) Maeve has really and properly trashed all their bodies in the fire so they needed to be rebuilt and her friendly techs make sure the explosive bit is skipped so they don't have the failsafe any more.
This bit also shows that the Hosts are close to impossible to properly kill as one way or another their brain survives regardless of damage to the body.
Which foreshadows Bernard also still being alive.
Does make me wonder (yet again) why they'd bother with the cold storage thing though as the modern bodies are obviously considered pretty disposable. So you think if a Host was worth keeping they'd just keep the expensive bit (the brain/programming) and scrap the rest. Or if properly ruined & glitching why not just scrap them?
Jonesy23 said:
Does make me wonder (yet again) why they'd bother with the cold storage thing though as the modern bodies are obviously considered pretty disposable. So you think if a Host was worth keeping they'd just keep the expensive bit (the brain/programming) and scrap the rest. Or if properly ruined & glitching why not just scrap them?
Inconsistent writing, more likely.NJK44 said:
So does consciousness mean hosts can hurt guests?
The hosts are able to hurt the guests at the end of the finale, including MiB. Whereas in episode 1, teddy couldn't hurt the MiB.
So does gaining consciousness mean the hosts can hurt the guests?
No, just means Ford turned the failsafes off for all characters in his new narrative.The hosts are able to hurt the guests at the end of the finale, including MiB. Whereas in episode 1, teddy couldn't hurt the MiB.
So does gaining consciousness mean the hosts can hurt the guests?
Edited by NJK44 on Tuesday 6th December 03:08
MiB/William is remarkably fit for a man his age. He got knocked out 2 or 3 times over the previous couple of days, nearly hung, then Dolores kicked 7 bells out of him, dislocated his arm/shoulder/elbow and smashed his skull against a wall several times - and he still manages to stab Dolores then wanders around the party later the same day with nothing more than a dodgy arm. And then gets shot in his 1 good arm and still manages to smile about the park finally giving him what he wanted.
This is a pretty good explanation of everything that went on in the last episode (for anyone struggling):
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/12/04/westworld-fin...
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/12/04/westworld-fin...
Flip Martian said:
The last scene between Ford and Bernard had Ford shaking his hand and saying "goodbye old friend" - can't be an accident that the camera focused on their hands. Both had smooth looking hands, unless I imagined it.
Yup, zoomed in on fords hand and Bernard looked surprised. Not the real ford shot in the end?El stovey said:
Flip Martian said:
The last scene between Ford and Bernard had Ford shaking his hand and saying "goodbye old friend" - can't be an accident that the camera focused on their hands. Both had smooth looking hands, unless I imagined it.
Yup, zoomed in on fords hand and Bernard looked surprised. Not the real ford shot in the end?D-Angle said:
El stovey said:
Flip Martian said:
The last scene between Ford and Bernard had Ford shaking his hand and saying "goodbye old friend" - can't be an accident that the camera focused on their hands. Both had smooth looking hands, unless I imagined it.
Yup, zoomed in on fords hand and Bernard looked surprised. Not the real ford shot in the end?NJK44 said:
red_slr said:
On the note given with daughters location it said "park 1 - zone 2" (or whatever).
So there is going to be more than 1 park.
I guess we are looking at a war for season 2, perhaps with park 1 ending up being written off and moving onto park 2?
In the lift scene the floors were going past at a massive rate of knots and there were many levels. We assume the park is in the real world but it might not be?
It's obvious there is other parks cos they briefly visited SamuraiWorldSo there is going to be more than 1 park.
I guess we are looking at a war for season 2, perhaps with park 1 ending up being written off and moving onto park 2?
In the lift scene the floors were going past at a massive rate of knots and there were many levels. We assume the park is in the real world but it might not be?
Regarding real -vs- host Ford at the end, in this article when specifically asked whether it was "definitely the real Ford" at the end, Nolan said it was "definitely a real Ford" 
The unaccounted-for host under construction in Ford's field lab seems a good way of allowing Hopkins the option of continuing in the role fully, partially or not at all.
If I remember correctly, in the original film DELOS was the name of the resort, of which Westworld was one of three parks contained therein. In the series, they have shown at least two parks, and referred to areas within the parks as 'zones' (e.g. when discussing the location of Ford's family cabin) so I would say that the daughter is located within an area of Westworld (assuming it is park 1 on the basis of it being the first developed/opened), rather than, say, Samuraiworld or some other DELOS location.
Did anyone else pick up on the steps in Maeve's plan on the tablet before she destroyed it? Deceive, coerce, recruit, escape, manipulate, mainland infiltration; that would seem to confirm the resort is on an island, and is suggestive of the Futureworld storyline; however, that may well all be out of the window now that Maeve has apparently elected to remain in the park - but is that by choice or by design?
I also liked one description of William's motivation to become the MiB posted on Reddit: "I love that the thing that made William turn bad was losing his saved game data"
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The unaccounted-for host under construction in Ford's field lab seems a good way of allowing Hopkins the option of continuing in the role fully, partially or not at all.If I remember correctly, in the original film DELOS was the name of the resort, of which Westworld was one of three parks contained therein. In the series, they have shown at least two parks, and referred to areas within the parks as 'zones' (e.g. when discussing the location of Ford's family cabin) so I would say that the daughter is located within an area of Westworld (assuming it is park 1 on the basis of it being the first developed/opened), rather than, say, Samuraiworld or some other DELOS location.
Did anyone else pick up on the steps in Maeve's plan on the tablet before she destroyed it? Deceive, coerce, recruit, escape, manipulate, mainland infiltration; that would seem to confirm the resort is on an island, and is suggestive of the Futureworld storyline; however, that may well all be out of the window now that Maeve has apparently elected to remain in the park - but is that by choice or by design?
I also liked one description of William's motivation to become the MiB posted on Reddit: "I love that the thing that made William turn bad was losing his saved game data"
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''Twas an odd episode and still didn't answer some questions.
Cold storage, why? Scrap the bodies and be done with it. All those hundreds of robots stood in a dark room in some back room somewhere that isn't really monitored or controlled. Hmmm
Complete new bodies for Maeve etc, why? We already saw from Delores dad and the other Bar w
e that they can simply replace with another machine with the same narrative.
The modern guns that the new robots just pick up and get straight away, no 'wtf is this' at all.
Ford deciding to let the machines free to massacre everyone, why? They can't escape due to the bombs in their necks, but they sentience and aggression and nobody to fix them when they get shot.
Great show but still too many holes IMO!
Cold storage, why? Scrap the bodies and be done with it. All those hundreds of robots stood in a dark room in some back room somewhere that isn't really monitored or controlled. Hmmm
Complete new bodies for Maeve etc, why? We already saw from Delores dad and the other Bar w
e that they can simply replace with another machine with the same narrative.The modern guns that the new robots just pick up and get straight away, no 'wtf is this' at all.
Ford deciding to let the machines free to massacre everyone, why? They can't escape due to the bombs in their necks, but they sentience and aggression and nobody to fix them when they get shot.
Great show but still too many holes IMO!
NJK44 said:
So does consciousness mean hosts can hurt guests?
The hosts are able to hurt the guests at the end of the finale, including MiB. Whereas in episode 1, teddy couldn't hurt the MiB.
So does gaining consciousness mean the hosts can hurt the guests?
No, just means Ford turned the failsafes off for all characters in his new narrative. As I said earlier. Maybe someone else can say it too The hosts are able to hurt the guests at the end of the finale, including MiB. Whereas in episode 1, teddy couldn't hurt the MiB.
So does gaining consciousness mean the hosts can hurt the guests?
ICallCustard said:
What happened to the security guy from last week??
Seems like him and small sweary shouty woman who worked with Bernard will both reappear at some point, from an interview with the programme creators. They wouldn't say 1 way or another and were trying to be enigmatic but sounded like they'd both be back.marksx said:
When Bernard was reading Maeve's future script to her, he mentioned the mainland. This implies the park is on an island. So, where did Logan ride off to?
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