The Grand Tour
Discussion
r11co said:
Quickmoose said:
btw you brought in the idea that a 9 year old would "know" what a sex toy was... 
It was you, but you are either being deliberately contrary or you don't actually appreciate what you posted earlier.I was making the point that an element of TGT that someone has criticised in here does actually have an appeal to a different demographic because the makes of the show know how to broaden their appeal, and you tried to turn it into a 'think of the children' exercise.
sorry you can't take a joke.
I understood your point re: a younger audience but I made my 'point' not as an exercise but more an observation that children might be better off not being fed this low brow stuff. Respecting and appreciating every parent has their own standard. I'm sure if you asked my daughter she'd tell you just how much I failed parenting wise
Maybe for my car based entertainment I should start watching Wacky Races again...
techiedave said:
Seriously you need to lighten up. You come across as self obsessed of the really high type. Your view isn't the only view, FFS I bet your really pleasant in real life just that the net brings out your dark side.
self obsessed really?I'm not talking about me...I'm discussing a telly programme.
I've not said once my view is fact and the only one... its a view reflected by others and not by some more...
FFS I am really pleasant in real life...its just a discussion dave.
What TGT has done for me is actually have a greater appreciation (maybe tolerance) for the last few specials that the CHM did with TG.
I fell asleep during the Christmas special when it first aired (where they travelled through Iraq, Syria and onto Bethlehem) and thought some of the scenes were so obviously staged, at that time, and didn’t really enjoy it.
However, after seeing just how bad the staged “fun” has been in the TGT, it made me appreciate some of the older episodes.
Every cloud and all that
Ironically, I actually thought this week was one of the better (scored a 4 out of 10) of the series so far. I think it was because after reading the reviews here, once the Alfa review was completed, I knew the content was going to be non car related completely. It then just became 3 middle aged blokes messing about with a boat and a crane.
I fell asleep during the Christmas special when it first aired (where they travelled through Iraq, Syria and onto Bethlehem) and thought some of the scenes were so obviously staged, at that time, and didn’t really enjoy it.
However, after seeing just how bad the staged “fun” has been in the TGT, it made me appreciate some of the older episodes.
Every cloud and all that
Ironically, I actually thought this week was one of the better (scored a 4 out of 10) of the series so far. I think it was because after reading the reviews here, once the Alfa review was completed, I knew the content was going to be non car related completely. It then just became 3 middle aged blokes messing about with a boat and a crane.
Just watching an old TG on Dave right now. It's the one where they take the Ford GT, Zonda and F430 to France - a really old one. It's not even one of the epic specials and it's so much more interesting than anything so far on TGT. It's so much less forced I think is the point. They are genuinely just having a bit of a laugh and it comes across that way. It doesn't feel scripted even though it might have been.
I don't get it, it's the whole same team who have made it! It's shocking that I would rather actually have SIARPC than have the 'oh they died' nonsense.
I don't get it, it's the whole same team who have made it! It's shocking that I would rather actually have SIARPC than have the 'oh they died' nonsense.
paulguitar said:
So, which is worse, ‘new’ Top Gear, or ‘The Grand Tour’?
What does everyone think?
I'm quite happy to live in a world with both, you don't have to choose one other than deciding if you want to pay for TGT.What does everyone think?
Neither are perfect, but and I really think we should all consider this – before Punchgate, before Chris Evans and all that – most poster here on PH no longer enjoyed Top Gear, if you read back at the threads it was stale, “overly scripted” boring, obvious and all that – there were still some great little moments, but by and large most episodes were so-so and some were good – I don’t remember the last really great episode.
Over 13 years and 230 odd episodes I think they tried every combination of themes they could and if the punch had never happened, the next series would have been objectively worse than either TGT or the New, New TG.
The new versions (because they really are new versions of the same thing) both have their merits, there is no better or worse because it’s down to personal taste.
I prefer Top Gear, Okay Chris Evans bless him, didn’t work – he certainly wasn’t helped by the Murdoch and Dacre press who put the boot in whenever and wherever they could – inventing things that didn’t happen, over inflating things that didn’t. I think the other 3 did a fine job and whilst not everything was great – they were brave enough to push on with it.
That’s not to say I didn’t enjoy TGT, I found the bile filled knocks at TG and the BBC distasteful, they used to make little comments about Fifth Gear, but those seemed light-hearted, these weren’t but I could look past that. Where TGT falls down for me, with the stuff they could take from TG, they did the same thing they’ve always done – only with a wasteful approach to budget, where they tried to replace the things they couldn’t take – it’s either lazy (the American) or just bad, Drone crash, Celebrity whatever, also their attitude to cars is just plain silly – one of them loves it, oh it’s so fun to drive, oh it’s wonderful to look at, oh it makes a great noise – but if it doesn’t do well on their half-arsed track, they hate it – they’ve never got past this speed and nothing else = fun, I wonder if when they’re jetting around the world at 500mph in a 747 they’re as giddy as school girls at the thrill of it. To be honest the best bits of TGT were the best bits of TG, when they’re not playing about, it always looks great.
I think TG still has a chance to be great again, freed from the shackles of Clarkson and Co they can try new things, adapt, learn etc, it might get worse, it could be great though. I don’t think TGT has anywhere to go, they might still make a few great things, but by and large after so long as doing it, no amount of silly budget is going to gloss over the fact they’re out of good ideas.
P-Jay said:
I think TG still has a chance to be great again, freed from the shackles of Clarkson and Co they can try new things, adapt, learn etc
Can't disagree with that, but...P-Jay said:
..it might get worse.
Might?! It already did.I would like to believe that the BBC can properly reboot it, but the last series was their idea of putting their best men on the job and the result was just terrible, so unfortunately I and many others don't share your optimism.
Their plan going forward appears to be to keep what they think was the best parts of their last dismal effort. Not a promising recipe for success.
I'm still willing to bet that the BBC will have one more go at it, lose not quite as much money as they did with the previous series, then cut their losses and come to a deal with W. Chump & Sons/Amazon to use the name/logo/Stig in return for a percentage.
Edited by r11co on Monday 16th January 19:33
Now that Top Gear has dumped the king of dicking around, Chris Evans, maybe, just maybe, the BBC have the chance to make a really good car show that is a bit of fun, rather than making a dicking around show with some cars in it like Last of the Summerwine, I er mean The Grand Tour.
Hopefully Top Gear will not become Fifth Gear though - I never really bothered to watch that in the last 10 years or so.
I will still watch Top Gear and The Grand Tour, but I always enjoy the older Top Gear repeats on Dave despite having seen some of them many times.
Hopefully Top Gear will not become Fifth Gear though - I never really bothered to watch that in the last 10 years or so.
I will still watch Top Gear and The Grand Tour, but I always enjoy the older Top Gear repeats on Dave despite having seen some of them many times.
P-Jay said:
I don’t think TGT has anywhere to go, they might still make a few great things, but by and large after so long as doing it, no amount of silly budget is going to gloss over the fact they’re out of good ideas.
I would hope they will do what TG did and ask themselves whats not working. For TG it was a list of one - Evans. For TGT the list will be longer, but you;d hope Wilman et al, would take a breath and re-watch series 1 and realise where they need to change things. Wouldn't be too difficult if they spent some time on here!Adam B said:
I would hope they will do what TG did and ask themselves whats not working. For TG it was a list of one - Evans. For TGT the list will be longer, but you;d hope Wilman et al, would take a breath and re-watch series 1 and realise where they need to change things. Wouldn't be too difficult if they spent some time on here!
Why on earth would they change it? They're reading fans saying it's perfect and have a Facebook group for people to tell them what they want to hear. And more importantly, a contract apparently for three series. It's simply a big lazy cash in for them. They're laughing all the way to retirement. The last thing they want to do is do anything different or create new ideas.
Next series will be exactly the same, a few homophobic jokes, something a bit racist or sexist perhaps some more sex toys. a few cars and "the lads" acting out some dire staged comedy aimed squarely at 12 year olds. Who can blame them for churning out the same old rubbish?
If you were in charge, would you change it? I certainly wouldn't. All I would do is stop traveling around and maximise my earnings by basing it all in the UK or the States. People just want to see CMH and their "witty banter" why bother spending money going abroad or even having a test track.
If May wants to do quality tv, he can keep doing his great documentaries. Win win.
El stovey said:
Next series will be exactly the same, a few homophobic jokes, something a bit racist or sexist perhaps some more sex toys.
Apart from May's solo films, these have been by far the best bits of the current series. 
El stovey said:
If May wants to do quality tv, he can keep doing his great documentaries. Win win.
See above.I can't imagine the Amazon paymasters are going to be impressed with falling viewer figures (their job is to attract people with money to spend, not small children) and the same badly acted situations every week.
At the weekend, I watched the TG episode (Google tells me S5 E8) on Dave where they had a race to Switzerland, raced a bobsleigh down a mountain, raced old racing cars versus new showroom cars around the track, and we saw an F1 car screaming (because in those days the engines properly screamed rather than hummed like a washing machine) around the track. My mind isn't playing tricks then, it really was that good.
At the weekend, I watched the TG episode (Google tells me S5 E8) on Dave where they had a race to Switzerland, raced a bobsleigh down a mountain, raced old racing cars versus new showroom cars around the track, and we saw an F1 car screaming (because in those days the engines properly screamed rather than hummed like a washing machine) around the track. My mind isn't playing tricks then, it really was that good.
ClockworkCupcake said:
El stovey said:
If May wants to do quality tv, he can keep doing his great documentaries. Win win.
I'd very much like to see another series of 'Cars of the People' and also 'Man Lab'. That last episode in the States was painful. I liked elements of the Alfa review, but the whole "cars for coral" thing just went on and on. It wasnt an interesting concept in the least yet they filled a large portion of the show with it.
I am trying hard to like it but they arent making it easy, each show would suit being 30 mins as they could then focus the content, would be more bearable and feel less like the three of them are desperately trying to fill time with bad humour and scripted "action".
I am trying hard to like it but they arent making it easy, each show would suit being 30 mins as they could then focus the content, would be more bearable and feel less like the three of them are desperately trying to fill time with bad humour and scripted "action".
Funk said:
Here's an example of what I find frustrating about TGT.
They spent several minutes talking about the amazing car museum near Nashville where they spent hours enjoying the cars - why the f
k wasn't there a feature on it rather than a few stock photos of cars they looked at? Why go to Nashville if you're not going to do anything relating to the location? Massive missed opportunity and I'd have loved to see what they clearly enjoyed so much.
Stop the crap and let the guys do what we know they can do; enthusing and demonstrating their passion for cars.
I'm disappointed at what it is vs what I thought and hoped it might be. I've already canceled the Prime auto renewal.
I enjoyed the last show and think its settling in now, but I have to agree with the above, and I could make the same comment for the show from Stuttgart, Porsche and Mercedes museum both in the city and both very good museums (I have been to both) and begging for a filmed visit, after all both Hammond and May are keen on Porsche and Clarkson is a Merc fan, plenty of material and rivalry their for an interesting yet humorous piece on both museums surely? Come on chaps lets see "The Tour" oh and the cars that get driven to the Tent every week. They spent several minutes talking about the amazing car museum near Nashville where they spent hours enjoying the cars - why the f
k wasn't there a feature on it rather than a few stock photos of cars they looked at? Why go to Nashville if you're not going to do anything relating to the location? Massive missed opportunity and I'd have loved to see what they clearly enjoyed so much.Stop the crap and let the guys do what we know they can do; enthusing and demonstrating their passion for cars.
I'm disappointed at what it is vs what I thought and hoped it might be. I've already canceled the Prime auto renewal.
However all in all I much prefer the whole to the latest TG offering
paulguitar said:
So, which is worse, ‘new’ Top Gear, or ‘The Grand Tour’?
What does everyone think?
Grand Tour. There are multiple things on "new" TG that I would happily watch again. What does everyone think?
But Trinity and M2 test, I'm struggling to think of anything thus far in Grand Tour that I would want to watch again.
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