The Grand Tour

[PositronicRay]

trooperiziz said:

bazza white said:

I wouldn't have done what James did and sit in that car with the brick roof coming down on you head. Slight kink to the neck is all to easy.

It wasn't real bricks in the roof.

You'll be telling us next he didn't build it!

[Rich_W]

Disastrous said:

Does anyone like "brain-in entertainment" these days?

Reviewers and fans use the term "brain-out entertainment" like it's a compliment. Is that best that a program maker can aspire to? To appeal to those who don't want to engage any critical faculties?

Honestly. No.

Ive just finished Westworld. Before that Narco's. Great funded, well acted and directed. (The later Netflix only of course, so similar PPV model as Amazon) Engrossing stories. Go back 5-6 years and I was watching all 5 series of The Wire.

If we're talking comedy. Currently enjoying TaskMaster on Dave/UKTV. Whilst some would consider that Brain out TV. I don't think it is. It's comedy that makes me laugh. I want to pay attention to it.

I get the angle about not wanting to think too much at the end of the day whilst you eat your dinner. But there's loads of other things on TV which fulfil that niche far better than TGT. Probably something like Family Guy. The episodes are all independent of each other. So there's no reason to think about it afterwards

Driver101 said:

Reports suggest The Grand Tour is watched by 1.95m. Is that the fact so few people are willing to pay, or it's on a platform that takes effort to access?

Interesting for 2 reasons.

i) So for the £4.5M per episode it means each paid viewer contribution is £2.30 Multiply that over 36 planned episodes at your at £83. Which is more than Amzon Prime costs for a year. So once you factor in the free delivery you get as part of the bundle. Amazon are losing money on this service. I presume they must have expected viewing figures in the 10s of millions

ii) Less than even the last episode of CE Top Gear!

[xjay1337]

Plenty of people have Amazon prime but don't necessarily order lots of things from Amazon.
Shipping these days is so cheap with the tuppence that couriers get paid, it's hardly a big deal.

Is Prime Delivery worldwide? Or does Amazon only provide Video-only services in some countries? Those will more than equal out (if so) any "loss" Amazon make..not forgetting Amazon make money on purchases, not just deliveries...

[Patrick Bateman]

Not sure if I want to bother with this or not. Almost sounds like it's mostly all the stuff from latter day Top Gear I couldn't be arsed with.

[klmhcp]

Patrick Bateman said:

Not sure if I want to bother with this or not. Almost sounds like it's mostly all the stuff from latter day Top Gear I couldn't be arsed with.

Ok then.

[Patrick Bateman]

klmhcp said:

Ok then.

Well is it mainly poorly-scripted segments that are meant to look spontaneous along with the odd celebrity thrown in?

[klmhcp]

Patrick Bateman said:

klmhcp said:

Ok then.

Well is it mainly poorly-scripted segments that are meant to look spontaneous along with the odd celebrity thrown in?

Regardless, your lack of decision is fascinating.

[xjay1337]

I think there's a thread on here about Emmadale.

I don't like Emmadale, so I don't go into the thread.

[Driver101]

Rich_W said:

ii) Less than even the last episode of CE Top Gear!

The viewing figures for Top Gear is for UK viewers only too. They used to claim 350m viewers worldwide.

The 1.95m figure was in the American press and suggested overall viewers in the first 3 or 4 days.

Last month there was the Man Utd v Liverpool game. Sky were claiming this would be the most watched game in club football and would be watched by 850m people.

BARB figures show that only 1.95 people watched in the UK. The average for games, at peak times, on Sky is now just 1.1m.

Sky pay over £11m per game. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31379128

£11m per game and an average of 1.1m viewers. That's a nice round £10 per viewer per game. There's 126 games per season so that's £1260 per person per season.

Sky Sports is £27.50 per month at full price with none of the discount rates going. So if viewers are only paying £330 per year, how are they also making up this huge shortfall?

[Patrick Bateman]

klmhcp said:

Regardless, your lack of decision is fascinating.

Well is it or isn't it? It's a genuine question and it doesn't need a snarky response.

[klmhcp]

Patrick Bateman said:

Not sure if I want to bother with this or not. Almost sounds like it's mostly all the stuff from latter day Top Gear I couldn't be arsed with.

To clarify. Ok then, don't watch it. No need to keep commenting, it's not a big deal.

[Disastrous]

xjay1337 said:

I think there's a thread on here about Emmadale.

I don't like Emmadale, so I don't go into the thread.

What if you used to like Emmerdale, but felt it had declined hugely and then the cast and crew started making a very similar program that you had high hopes for, watched a few of but ultimately were disappointed with?

Do you think you might then express that diaappointment on a thread discussing the new program?

[Rich_W]

Driver101 said:

Rich_W said:

ii) Less than even the last episode of CE Top Gear!

The viewing figures for Top Gear is for UK viewers only too. They used to claim 350m viewers worldwide.

The 1.95m figure was in the American press and suggested overall viewers in the first 3 or 4 days.

Last month there was the Man Utd v Liverpool game. Sky were claiming this would be the most watched game in club football and would be watched by 850m people.

BARB figures show that only 1.95 people watched in the UK. The average for games, at peak times, on Sky is now just 1.1m.

Sky pay over £11m per game. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31379128

£11m per game and an average of 1.1m viewers. That's a nice round £10 per viewer per game. There's 126 games per season so that's £1260 per person per season.

Sky Sports is £27.50 per month at full price with none of the discount rates going. So if viewers are only paying £330 per year, how are they also making up this huge shortfall?

Advertising between the halves or during the build up. Also sponsorship of the show itself. Soccer Saturday is sponsored by Gillette, The Ford Soccer Sunday etc

Amazon don't do adverts of shaving products (yet)

Slight note, SS package may be £27.50 but you need another £40 worth of package before you can add it. So potentially some subsidising from other parts of the business going on

[sealtt]

350m viewers sounds unbelievable, world cup is 1 billion with 20 million in U.K.

So just don't see 350m happening given UK figures and how less scalable TG / GT is globally than football given language, cultural, etc barriers. Surely 350m is mad... would be very interested to see some current figures.

[silent ninja]

sealtt said:

350m viewers sounds unbelievable, world cup is 1 billion with 20 million in U.K.

So just don't see 350m happening given UK figures and how less scalable TG / GT is globally than football given language, cultural, etc barriers. Surely 350m is mad... would be very interested to see some current figures.

I don't think that figure relates to Amazon, it was bandied about with respect to the BBC version. Amazon absolutely doesn't have that kind of reach with this programme. I'd be surprised if they got 3m paying viewers in the UK. The audience is restricted through the membership wall and it's likely it's just a fraction of that.

[xjay1337]

Disastrous said:

What if you used to like Emmerdale, but felt it had declined hugely and then the cast and crew started making a very similar program that you had high hopes for, watched a few of but ultimately were disappointed with?

Do you think you might then express that diaappointment on a thread discussing the new program?

Probably not, I certainly wouldn't say "well, I won't bother watchiing it because other people say it's crap"

[Lordglenmorangie]

Ken Figenus said:

Watched it in 15 mins - learnt little about the GT3RS and the BMW GTS. Someone needs their @rse kicked for making that carnival float dross 66% of the programme.

Totally agree, I was a massive TG fan and in particular Clarkson journalism. As for the fat yank WTF are they thinking off .

[anonymous-user]

xjay1337 said:

I think there's a thread on here about Emmadale.

I don't like Emmadale, so I don't go into the thread.

Fascinating.

This is a thread about the grand tour. Do you think it's just for positive opinions or something?

[Quickmoose]

El stovey said:

xjay1337 said:

I think there's a thread on here about Emmadale.

I don't like Emmadale, so I don't go into the thread.

Fascinating.

This is a thread about the grand tour. Do you think it's just for positive opinions or something?

exactly, that 'point' has been exptressed before, and been answered before....
One wonders why xjay posts here if he loves the show so much and doesn't bother to read the contributions here...
I mean I love Porches...but I don't join in every thread about them to let them know

[klmhcp]

Quickmoose said:

exactly, that 'point' has been exptressed before, and been answered before....
One wonders why xjay posts here if he loves the show so much and doesn't bother to read the contributions here...
I mean I love Porches...but I don't join in every thread about them to let them know

Just a mass of letters pushed together with hope.