The Grand Tour
Discussion
bodhi said:
El stovey said:
Netflix
"When asked why Netflix didn’t purchase the rights to The Grand Tour, despite having Top Gear streaming on the service, boss Ted Sarandos explained the show wasn’t worth the amount Amazon paid"
I'm sure he's lying and you know best though,
Turns out Netflix were very keen for TGT to be on their service, but couldn't compete with Amazon financially."When asked why Netflix didn’t purchase the rights to The Grand Tour, despite having Top Gear streaming on the service, boss Ted Sarandos explained the show wasn’t worth the amount Amazon paid"
I'm sure he's lying and you know best though,
From Reed Hastings @ Netflix
"We bid on Jeremy Clarkson's show and they bid more. By the time they won it, we were like 'Wow, that's a lot of money.' Maybe it'll work for them, it might well. It could be a great show. You can't tell until you've seen it. We lost on that one; there's other ones we won."
Netflex' respinse appeared to be to try to get the rights for the Chris Evans series of Top Gear.....
It's not that they couldn't afford it, as 768 (and you now) state.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 19th January 13:42
El stovey said:
bodhi said:
El stovey said:
Netflix
"When asked why Netflix didn’t purchase the rights to The Grand Tour, despite having Top Gear streaming on the service, boss Ted Sarandos explained the show wasn’t worth the amount Amazon paid"
I'm sure he's lying and you know best though,
Turns out Netflix were very keen for TGT to be on their service, but couldn't compete with Amazon financially."When asked why Netflix didn’t purchase the rights to The Grand Tour, despite having Top Gear streaming on the service, boss Ted Sarandos explained the show wasn’t worth the amount Amazon paid"
I'm sure he's lying and you know best though,
From Reed Hastings @ Netflix
"We bid on Jeremy Clarkson's show and they bid more. By the time they won it, we were like 'Wow, that's a lot of money.' Maybe it'll work for them, it might well. It could be a great show. You can't tell until you've seen it. We lost on that one; there's other ones we won."
Netflex' respinse appeared to be to try to get the rights for the Chris Evans series of Top Gear.....
It's not that they couldn't afford it, as 768 (and you now) state.
Edited by El stovey on Thursday 19th January 13:42
Amazon aren't run by fools, and they didn't just open a streaming service one-day and say "let's give this a whirl". They actually bought up Lovefilm - who were Netflix biggest competitor when they both offered DVD rentals by post / subscription. Lovefilm had been running their own streaming service for a few years, it was terrible, but they were still running it as an add-on for their DVD by Post Service.
Amazon ran Lovefilm unchanged for a year, then they incorporated it into Amazon and finally seperated the DVD by Post service and the Streaming Service, through it's various guises it's been running for about the same time as Netflix.
I don't think it's rocket surgery to work out that TGT was worth more to Amazon than it was to Netflix. Amazon don't have nearly as many customers, in fact if you strip out the Prime Customers who bought their subscription for Amazon shopping etc then they had very few (relatively).
TGT is going to be a loss leader, they would hope it will generate lots of new customer who will sign up for Clarkson and Co, then then used their other services, maybe 'got into' other programmes on Prime etc and become long standing customers, if nothing else if you want to watch TGT in HD you need to watch it on a PC or via one of their devices - 4K it's just their devices - that creates an income stream of its own.
Netflix on the other hand, has nothing else to sell it's customers, no devices to sell either, they'd like to become another network, make their own shows, broadcast their own shows - they've greatly reduced the number of films they stream and are looking to reduce the number of shows they buy-in too.
Amazon ran Lovefilm unchanged for a year, then they incorporated it into Amazon and finally seperated the DVD by Post service and the Streaming Service, through it's various guises it's been running for about the same time as Netflix.
I don't think it's rocket surgery to work out that TGT was worth more to Amazon than it was to Netflix. Amazon don't have nearly as many customers, in fact if you strip out the Prime Customers who bought their subscription for Amazon shopping etc then they had very few (relatively).
TGT is going to be a loss leader, they would hope it will generate lots of new customer who will sign up for Clarkson and Co, then then used their other services, maybe 'got into' other programmes on Prime etc and become long standing customers, if nothing else if you want to watch TGT in HD you need to watch it on a PC or via one of their devices - 4K it's just their devices - that creates an income stream of its own.
Netflix on the other hand, has nothing else to sell it's customers, no devices to sell either, they'd like to become another network, make their own shows, broadcast their own shows - they've greatly reduced the number of films they stream and are looking to reduce the number of shows they buy-in too.
768 said:
And Amazon, who don't know about streaming just went up and up in price until Netflix could afford it but just decided it cost too much. But could definitely still afford it.
Netflix spent 6 billion USD on content last year. I expect they could afford the grand tour. It's not a difficult concept, Netflix had a maximum price they thought it was worth, Amazon were willing to pay more than that.
Any perceived criticism of the grand tour, It's like discussing evolution with creationists.
El stovey said:
Netflix spent 6 billion USD on content last year. I expect they could afford the grand tour.
It's not a difficult concept, Netflix had a maximum price they thought it was worth, Amazon were willing to pay more than that.
Any perceived criticism of the grand tour, It's like discussing evolution with creationists.
Strange that, it seems the same if you want to say anything positive about it.....It's not a difficult concept, Netflix had a maximum price they thought it was worth, Amazon were willing to pay more than that.
Any perceived criticism of the grand tour, It's like discussing evolution with creationists.
popeyewhite said:
That is exactly what happened. Hence the use of the phrase "we lost that one" from Reed Hastings. You don't lose something you don't want.
Not necessarily. I have been at auctions where I have set myself a price I won't go above, and still consider being outbid as having "lost" the item. Maybe he meant it in a similar way? popeyewhite said:
768 said:
I'm sure Netflix could have paid for it. They just couldn't afford to.
That is exactly what happened. Hence the use of the phrase "we lost that one" from Reed Hastings. You don't lose something you don't want. If I have a shop and you have a shop and nestle tell us kit Kats are going to cost £2 each I might not stock them if I can only sell them for £1.
Can I afford the £2 nestle want? Yes, but I'm not willing to pay that much because I can't sell them for that much.
Netflix wanted the grand tour but didn't think it was worth what Amazon did.
ClockworkCupcake said:
popeyewhite said:
That is exactly what happened. Hence the use of the phrase "we lost that one" from Reed Hastings. You don't lose something you don't want.
Not necessarily. I have been at auctions where I have set myself a price I won't go above, and still consider being outbid as having "lost" the item. Maybe he meant it in a similar way? Business Insider - "Netflix has confirmed that it was in the race to sign Jeremy Clarkson last year but was beaten to the chequered flag by a knockout bid from Amazon Prime Instant Video."
Does that sound as if they didn't want it, or thought Amazon paid to much?
The Spruce goose said:
on amazons own trivia page it says TGT was bought for 160 millions for 2 seasons. Around 4 million an episode. The BBC budget was about 800k an episode I think.
Is there a link to that? IIRC each season is 12 episodes, which would make it 6.7m per episode at that cost (£ or $?)popeyewhite said:
You'd have to ask Mr Hastings.
Business Insider - "Netflix has confirmed that it was in the race to sign Jeremy Clarkson last year but was beaten to the chequered flag by a knockout bid from Amazon Prime Instant Video."
Does that sound as if they didn't want it, or thought Amazon paid to much?
Fair enough. Business Insider - "Netflix has confirmed that it was in the race to sign Jeremy Clarkson last year but was beaten to the chequered flag by a knockout bid from Amazon Prime Instant Video."
Does that sound as if they didn't want it, or thought Amazon paid to much?
I wasn't actually debating whether Netflix did or didn't want it, nor if Amazon paid too much. I was just commenting on whether or not "lost" could have been construed in the sense of "went above our ceiling price".
ClockworkCupcake said:
Fair enough.
I wasn't actually debating whether Netflix did or didn't want it, nor if Amazon paid too much. I was just commenting on whether or not "lost" could have been construed in the sense of "went above our ceiling price".
Sure, the second part of my comment was not really directed at you, bit of a lazy post!I wasn't actually debating whether Netflix did or didn't want it, nor if Amazon paid too much. I was just commenting on whether or not "lost" could have been construed in the sense of "went above our ceiling price".
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