Dambusters film
Discussion
Vipers said:
For example I asked a question on another thread about T,V, and the deaf and dumb, apparently you shouldn't use the word dumb.
But! In my upbringing that was the usual term for someone who couldnt hear or speak. Times change I know, but it's bloody difficult keeping up at times if you don't move in the circle of friends who use these terms.
Offshore we called Enginers "Ginger beers", but can't use that term in certain circles.
Appartently, one should call dumb people deaf: https://www.quora.com/How-could-we-say-deaf-and-du...But! In my upbringing that was the usual term for someone who couldnt hear or speak. Times change I know, but it's bloody difficult keeping up at times if you don't move in the circle of friends who use these terms.
Offshore we called Enginers "Ginger beers", but can't use that term in certain circles.
Confused? I am
As for "Ginger Beers" - yes, at school we had another group in mind here.
Very sad that the obsession on this is the dogs name and not even something else controversial such as the civilian casualties of the raid. Anything perceived as racist seems to dominate even the horrors of total war these days.
On the actual film, its one of my top five films. There is a few fictional bits added, but the core of the film is accurate and has an incredible dignity to it, the ending in particular where the remaining aircraft land and crews are just tired and not celebrating, and then scenes of those who didn't return personal artifacts and empty rooms. Also helped by the fact Richard Todd was superb both on and off screen.
On the actual film, its one of my top five films. There is a few fictional bits added, but the core of the film is accurate and has an incredible dignity to it, the ending in particular where the remaining aircraft land and crews are just tired and not celebrating, and then scenes of those who didn't return personal artifacts and empty rooms. Also helped by the fact Richard Todd was superb both on and off screen.
Edited by Deptford Draylons on Wednesday 18th January 12:35
Vipers said:
Well I didn't know it was frowned on these days, I thought calling people Black was a no no. It's probably more well known amongst groups of people who intergrate more with black people, and know these things.
I am pretty sure in my younger days coloured was acceptable, can we still use "Geordie", "Janners", "Jocks", "Kiwi's", just asking.
I doubt it as someone not connected with the above will complain on their behalf. I am pretty sure in my younger days coloured was acceptable, can we still use "Geordie", "Janners", "Jocks", "Kiwi's", just asking.
Smollet said:
Vipers said:
Well I didn't know it was frowned on these days, I thought calling people Black was a no no. It's probably more well known amongst groups of people who intergrate more with black people, and know these things.
I am pretty sure in my younger days coloured was acceptable, can we still use "Geordie", "Janners", "Jocks", "Kiwi's", just asking.
I doubt it as someone not connected with the above will complain on their behalf. I am pretty sure in my younger days coloured was acceptable, can we still use "Geordie", "Janners", "Jocks", "Kiwi's", just asking.
Smollet said:
Vipers said:
Well I didn't know it was frowned on these days, I thought calling people Black was a no no. It's probably more well known amongst groups of people who intergrate more with black people, and know these things.
I am pretty sure in my younger days coloured was acceptable, can we still use "Geordie", "Janners", "Jocks", "Kiwi's", just asking.
I doubt it as someone not connected with the above will complain on their behalf. I am pretty sure in my younger days coloured was acceptable, can we still use "Geordie", "Janners", "Jocks", "Kiwi's", just asking.
I had a post deleted on PH for using the word Jock so obviously some Scots find that derogatory. N****r is derogatory as is Coloured, retard etc..... as they are descriptive words meant to insult. In the US in particular the N word has connotations of slavery and segregation and is especially degrading.
I took this photo of a sign that hangs inside the Canadian Lancaster which I found quite amusing. THey flew it over from Canada in the freezing cold, must have been pretty challenging! I hadn't seen inside a Lanc since I was a kid and seeing again how claustrophobic and cramped they were I have even higher regard for my Grandfather and his comrades who flew in them in war.
Eric Mc said:
Any chance that a thread entitled "The Dambusters" will ever again cover the subject matter itself?
Woof But seriously then Eric...
600 Germans and 1000 mostly Soviet labourers were killed due to the raids versus our 53 lost plus aircraft. Was the mission a success - discuss.
unrepentant said:
I had a post deleted on PH for using the word Jock
I find that very odd, I have two good friends up here in Aberdeen, (both scottish of course), I have absolutely no idea about their christian names, they have always been know by the entire offshore diving industry, and indeed clients onshore, and still are referred to Jock.Tiss an odd world. Wonder if its OK to use the word "Wet Back" in the states, again that was a common used word in the offshore industry.
Like the comment on the plane by the way, true hereos in those days.
Deptford Draylons said:
Very sad that the obsession on this is the dogs name and not even something else controversial such as the civilian casualties of the raid.
Interesting point, imagine a film from the POV of the German civilian workers.-Look at that, Gerhard, that bomber was designed by a man who has a dog called, !
-Gotten un himmel! Racist bd!
<bombs drops>
-Aiiiieee, I've always loved you, Hans!
Edited by Halb on Wednesday 18th January 16:05
Vipers said:
unrepentant said:
I had a post deleted on PH for using the word Jock
I find that very odd, I have two good friends up here in Aberdeen, (both scottish of course), I have absolutely no idea about their christian names, they have always been know by the entire offshore diving industry, and indeed clients onshore, and still are referred to Jock.Tiss an odd world. Wonder if its OK to use the word "Wet Back" in the states, again that was a common used word in the offshore industry.
Like the comment on the plane by the way, true hereos in those days.
AMG Merc said:
Eric Mc said:
Any chance that a thread entitled "The Dambusters" will ever again cover the subject matter itself?
Woof But seriously then Eric...
600 Germans and 1000 mostly Soviet labourers were killed due to the raids versus our 53 lost plus aircraft. Was the mission a success - discuss.
And did we stop the Germand developing heavy water, used in atmoic weapons research?? Possibly. Did it divert manpower to defend them? yes
bad company said:
Vipers said:
unrepentant said:
I had a post deleted on PH for using the word Jock
I find that very odd, I have two good friends up here in Aberdeen, (both scottish of course), I have absolutely no idea about their christian names, they have always been know by the entire offshore diving industry, and indeed clients onshore, and still are referred to Jock.Tiss an odd world. Wonder if its OK to use the word "Wet Back" in the states, again that was a common used word in the offshore industry.
Like the comment on the plane by the way, true hereos in those days.
Met him years later, so I said "Hellow Eric", he said "My names actually Duncan", of course he was called Eric as the same era we knew each other a well know actor on telly was Eric Sykes.
Anyone with surname of Allen was always called Darby Allen, god knows why.
Here are some, but Allen isn't there, don't know why.
http://www.gashbag.com/navalnicknames.htm
Vipers said:
I have known many servicemen but never knew their christian name. One in particular was called Eric In the mob. His surname was Sykes.
Met him years later, so I said "Hellow Eric", he said "My names actually Duncan", of course he was called Eric as the same era we knew each other a well know actor on telly was Eric Sykes.
Anyone with surname of Allen was always called Darby Allen, god knows why.
Here are some, but Allen isn't there, don't know why.
http://www.gashbag.com/navalnicknames.htm
In Hoover's engineering department at Perivale in the 1960s there was a labourer whose surname was Dover. He can't really have been called Ben, can he? Met him years later, so I said "Hellow Eric", he said "My names actually Duncan", of course he was called Eric as the same era we knew each other a well know actor on telly was Eric Sykes.
Anyone with surname of Allen was always called Darby Allen, god knows why.
Here are some, but Allen isn't there, don't know why.
http://www.gashbag.com/navalnicknames.htm
motco said:
Vipers said:
I have known many servicemen but never knew their christian name. One in particular was called Eric In the mob. His surname was Sykes.
Met him years later, so I said "Hellow Eric", he said "My names actually Duncan", of course he was called Eric as the same era we knew each other a well know actor on telly was Eric Sykes.
Anyone with surname of Allen was always called Darby Allen, god knows why.
Here are some, but Allen isn't there, don't know why.
http://www.gashbag.com/navalnicknames.htm
In Hoover's engineering department at Perivale in the 1960s there was a labourer whose surname was Dover. He can't really have been called Ben, can he? Met him years later, so I said "Hellow Eric", he said "My names actually Duncan", of course he was called Eric as the same era we knew each other a well know actor on telly was Eric Sykes.
Anyone with surname of Allen was always called Darby Allen, god knows why.
Here are some, but Allen isn't there, don't know why.
http://www.gashbag.com/navalnicknames.htm
williamp said:
AMG Merc said:
Eric Mc said:
Any chance that a thread entitled "The Dambusters" will ever again cover the subject matter itself?
Woof But seriously then Eric...
600 Germans and 1000 mostly Soviet labourers were killed due to the raids versus our 53 lost plus aircraft. Was the mission a success - discuss.
And did we stop the Germand developing heavy water, used in atmoic weapons research?? Possibly. Did it divert manpower to defend them? yes
I'd say that neither were decisive to the battles but certainly helped in the same way the Tirpitz tied up Allied resources for a couple of years.
Of course we can't have a discussion about the dams raid with mentioning 'Highball' and the rocket propelled 'Kurt'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1JBYIClEd0
Tango13 said:
williamp said:
AMG Merc said:
Eric Mc said:
Any chance that a thread entitled "The Dambusters" will ever again cover the subject matter itself?
Woof But seriously then Eric...
600 Germans and 1000 mostly Soviet labourers were killed due to the raids versus our 53 lost plus aircraft. Was the mission a success - discuss.
And did we stop the Germand developing heavy water, used in atmoic weapons research?? Possibly. Did it divert manpower to defend them? yes
I'd say that neither were decisive to the battles but certainly helped in the same way the Tirpitz tied up Allied resources for a couple of years.
Of course we can't have a discussion about the dams raid with mentioning 'Highball' and the rocket propelled 'Kurt'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1JBYIClEd0
AMG Merc said:
Agree with your points. They're not being derogatory, rather identifying.
Fyi - The movie was run a few days ago on TV and all mentions of said dog's name were left in - as intended by the writers. Getting back to the movie, it was superb to watch, as always, even being 61 years old!
Hooray! It only took 5 and a bit pages for the people getting so cross about the word's (supposed) omission to acknowledge this fact after it had been made repeatedly to them!Fyi - The movie was run a few days ago on TV and all mentions of said dog's name were left in - as intended by the writers. Getting back to the movie, it was superb to watch, as always, even being 61 years old!
Vipers said:
motco said:
Vipers said:
I have known many servicemen but never knew their christian name. One in particular was called Eric In the mob. His surname was Sykes.
Met him years later, so I said "Hellow Eric", he said "My names actually Duncan", of course he was called Eric as the same era we knew each other a well know actor on telly was Eric Sykes.
Anyone with surname of Allen was always called Darby Allen, god knows why.
Here are some, but Allen isn't there, don't know why.
http://www.gashbag.com/navalnicknames.htm
In Hoover's engineering department at Perivale in the 1960s there was a labourer whose surname was Dover. He can't really have been called Ben, can he? Met him years later, so I said "Hellow Eric", he said "My names actually Duncan", of course he was called Eric as the same era we knew each other a well know actor on telly was Eric Sykes.
Anyone with surname of Allen was always called Darby Allen, god knows why.
Here are some, but Allen isn't there, don't know why.
http://www.gashbag.com/navalnicknames.htm
Halmyre said:
Vipers said:
motco said:
Vipers said:
I have known many servicemen but never knew their christian name. One in particular was called Eric In the mob. His surname was Sykes.
Met him years later, so I said "Hellow Eric", he said "My names actually Duncan", of course he was called Eric as the same era we knew each other a well know actor on telly was Eric Sykes.
Anyone with surname of Allen was always called Darby Allen, god knows why.
Here are some, but Allen isn't there, don't know why.
http://www.gashbag.com/navalnicknames.htm
In Hoover's engineering department at Perivale in the 1960s there was a labourer whose surname was Dover. He can't really have been called Ben, can he? Met him years later, so I said "Hellow Eric", he said "My names actually Duncan", of course he was called Eric as the same era we knew each other a well know actor on telly was Eric Sykes.
Anyone with surname of Allen was always called Darby Allen, god knows why.
Here are some, but Allen isn't there, don't know why.
http://www.gashbag.com/navalnicknames.htm
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