Dambusters film
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Eric Mc said:
Off we go again talking about race issues rather than a very brave bunch of fliers.
What a pity.
Why didn't Gibson call his dog Fido?
I couldn't agree more.What a pity.
Why didn't Gibson call his dog Fido?
Yes, it's a talking point, but shouldn't overshadow what was a great film, even though the special effects look rather dated these days.
Brave young men indeed.
We have a German languages assistant staying with us at the moment, she is in her early 20's and we had a really interesting conversation the other night about the war, Hitlers rise to power and the effects on the German people, it came about as my lad was bouncing tennis balls along the kitchen floor and the bouncing bomb was brought up. Sparked a really good conversation, her granddad (still alive) told her tales of being a young lad and being given a uniform and trained to be proud of the Nazi party and so on.
unrepentant said:
WinstonWolf said:
unrepentant said:
Vipers said:
unrepentant said:
Vipers said:
a coloured chappie
Oh dear.Think about it for a minute and put yourself in the shoes of the person you are patronizingly calling a "coloured chappie".
You can't blame people for being confused as to what's acceptable this week...
Dr Jekyll said:
A motorcycle magazine made a really sensible response when someone said they should stop using the word 'jap' because it was derogatory. They said that as far as they were concerned saying 'Jap bikes are very reliable' was a compliment, saying 'British bikes leak oil' was derogatory.
What if the engines were made by John Alfred Prestwich? 
Tango13 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
A motorcycle magazine made a really sensible response when someone said they should stop using the word 'jap' because it was derogatory. They said that as far as they were concerned saying 'Jap bikes are very reliable' was a compliment, saying 'British bikes leak oil' was derogatory.
What if the engines were made by John Alfred Prestwich? Vipers said:
Tango13 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
A motorcycle magazine made a really sensible response when someone said they should stop using the word 'jap' because it was derogatory. They said that as far as they were concerned saying 'Jap bikes are very reliable' was a compliment, saying 'British bikes leak oil' was derogatory.
What if the engines were made by John Alfred Prestwich? (note to pedants - yes, I know it should be Bf 109s...)
Halmyre said:
Vipers said:
Tango13 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
A motorcycle magazine made a really sensible response when someone said they should stop using the word 'jap' because it was derogatory. They said that as far as they were concerned saying 'Jap bikes are very reliable' was a compliment, saying 'British bikes leak oil' was derogatory.
What if the engines were made by John Alfred Prestwich? (note to pedants - yes, I know it should be Bf 109s...)
Good joke anyway in its time, probably modidied to Me109's etc over the years.
Halmyre said:
Vipers said:
Tango13 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
A motorcycle magazine made a really sensible response when someone said they should stop using the word 'jap' because it was derogatory. They said that as far as they were concerned saying 'Jap bikes are very reliable' was a compliment, saying 'British bikes leak oil' was derogatory.
What if the engines were made by John Alfred Prestwich? (note to pedants - yes, I know it should be Bf 109s...)
Extract from diaries;
"And my engine was on fire, I had two of the f
kers on my tail, one fker was coming up at me from the left and there were two more fkers about a hundred feet above me waiting for...' (At this point the headmistress panicked and interrupted. 'Girls, as of course you all know, there was a type of German aeroplane called the FOKKER.') But Bader: 'I don't know about that. All I can tell you is that these chaps were flying Messerschmitts'"Halmyre said:
Vipers said:
Tango13 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
A motorcycle magazine made a really sensible response when someone said they should stop using the word 'jap' because it was derogatory. They said that as far as they were concerned saying 'Jap bikes are very reliable' was a compliment, saying 'British bikes leak oil' was derogatory.
What if the engines were made by John Alfred Prestwich? (note to pedants - yes, I know it should be Bf 109s...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8Yf5B6GbYk
Wacky Racer said:
Good find, well done.
Vipers said:
That will confuse them. Reminds me about the joke about the WW2 fighter pilot on "This is your life" explaining when he got into a dog fight and with a fokker to his left and a fokker to his right, when Eamon Andrews interupted and explained a Fokker was a German aircraft..............
But not in World War 2. Fokker was a Dutch company (it folded as recently as 1997) and supplied aircraft to Germany in World War 1.In World War 2, Fokkers were used by the Dutch against the Germans and the Japanese.
Vocal Minority said:
Though I think it has rather become the shorthand for Focke-Wulf as well
Though I have to admit I had no idea they were seperate
As time goes on, it does seem that those who don't know much about the World Wars or aircraft are increasingly confusing the two very separate aircraft manufacturers. As I said, Fokker always was a Dutch company and had its roots pre World War 1 when the young Anthony Fokker was an aviation pioneer.Though I have to admit I had no idea they were seperate
Focke-Wulf was an altogether different company being set up in Germany in the 1920s. By the time of World War 2, the founder, Heinrich Focke was no longer involved in the company and the "main man" was a chap called Kurt Tank. All the most famous Focke-Wulf aircraft of World War 2 were designed under the leadership of Tank.
After Wulf left Focke-Wulf, he set up another company called Focke-Achgelis which did pioneering work in the development of early helicopters.
unrepentant said:
It's none of those things. Why do you have to describe people by the colour of their skin at all?
If you were in Ghana and you were the only white person in a room, would it be important that someone identified you as "the one with glasses and a beige pair of cargo pants" or would it be OK for them to say "He's the white guy"?Anything derogatory about people is bad (unless it's Donald Trump, nothing you can say can demean him further), but sometimes someone's colour or height or the fact they've one hand is significant. It doesn't 'define' them, but it does 'identify' them.
FWIW, my daughter calls her black friends 'N*gger' all the time, as they do each other. They all know these people like them, so there's no offence. It's like one of your friends call you a 'w*nker'. If a total stranger did it, you may take offence, when a friend does, you laugh, because you know it's a joke.
I've lost track, though, has this film been canned? And was it because of what Gibson called his dog? Would it REALLY have destroyed the story if they'd called him Roger?
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AMG Merc said:
Don't agree with the comparison. Disabled is accepted...
Except it isn't -"Great quote from Sir Philip Craven, President of the International Paralympic Committee and Patron of Sport Cheshire, ‘Disabled people?- I want this mythical group of citizens of this country just viewed as individuals and not collectivised and marginalised - viewed for what they're good at, what they enjoy’."
- a view he repeated on Desert Island Discs last month with some vehemence.
At the end of the day, I think some terms are acceptable in some circles but not in others.
For example I asked a question on another thread about T,V, and the deaf and dumb, apparently you shouldn't use the word dumb.
But! In my upbringing that was the usual term for someone who couldnt hear or speak. Times change I know, but it's bloody difficult keeping up at times if you don't move in the circle of friends who use these terms.
Offshore we called Enginers "Ginger beers", but can't use that term in certain circles.
For example I asked a question on another thread about T,V, and the deaf and dumb, apparently you shouldn't use the word dumb.
But! In my upbringing that was the usual term for someone who couldnt hear or speak. Times change I know, but it's bloody difficult keeping up at times if you don't move in the circle of friends who use these terms.
Offshore we called Enginers "Ginger beers", but can't use that term in certain circles.
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