Dambusters film
Discussion
Vipers said:
PC has gone mad, suppose the N word was used in our bible, what then?
When they remade the film Swallows and Amazons, one of the girls in the book, and original film was known as "Titty" in real life throughout her entire life until she died, but when the remade the film, oh no cant used that word Titty, FFS that was her name.
I recall reading about a coloured chappie on a bonding exercise from work had a T-shirt on which said "Midnight", and he was fine with that, but the instructor told him he coldnt wear THAT on the course.
Next day he turned up with a new T-shirt, on the front it had "2359"
You can't even use the word "coloured" these days. I used it the other day in front of a friend to describe someone of mixed race, and got a right b*llocking. I'm from an older generation, and I find the whole thing very frustrating.When they remade the film Swallows and Amazons, one of the girls in the book, and original film was known as "Titty" in real life throughout her entire life until she died, but when the remade the film, oh no cant used that word Titty, FFS that was her name.
I recall reading about a coloured chappie on a bonding exercise from work had a T-shirt on which said "Midnight", and he was fine with that, but the instructor told him he coldnt wear THAT on the course.
Next day he turned up with a new T-shirt, on the front it had "2359"
Johnnytheboy said:
If someone remakes Dambusters, they should just get anyone in the film who has to say the dog's name to be a black actor. They are allowed to say it.
Even if it's a trifle historically inaccurate.
Or they could use it's actual name because its historically accurate. Just like the thing that was broadcast at 3pm on a Sunday. Or alternatively you could continue this campaign against an imagined sleight.Even if it's a trifle historically inaccurate.
Edited by Vocal Minority on Tuesday 17th January 11:23
Vipers said:
PC has gone mad, suppose the N word was used in our bible, what then?
When they remade the film Swallows and Amazons, one of the girls in the book, and original film was known as "Titty" in real life throughout her entire life until she died, but when the remade the film, oh no cant used that word Titty, FFS that was her name.
In the original 'Last of the Mohicans', Hawkeye's real name is Natty (or Nathaniel) Bumppo. You can see why they changed it for the film, and for the same good reason you can see why they changed the name in 'Swallows and Amazons'. If you're really upset about the subject, you might also want to take issue with some of the following:When they remade the film Swallows and Amazons, one of the girls in the book, and original film was known as "Titty" in real life throughout her entire life until she died, but when the remade the film, oh no cant used that word Titty, FFS that was her name.
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AdaptationNameChange
Of course, none of the examples are as snigger-worthy as 'Titty', so nobody bangs (fnaar) on about them.
nicanary said:
You can't even use the word "coloured" these days. I used it the other day in front of a friend to describe someone of mixed race, and got a right b*llocking. I'm from an older generation, and I find the whole thing very frustrating.
I so agree. So friggin confusing these days 
Out of interest what word or description did your friends (or now, ex-friends seing as you're now officially a racist!) suggest you should have used instead?
AMG Merc said:
nicanary said:
You can't even use the word "coloured" these days. I used it the other day in front of a friend to describe someone of mixed race, and got a right b*llocking. I'm from an older generation, and I find the whole thing very frustrating.
I so agree. So friggin confusing these days Out of interest what word or description did your friends (or now, ex-friends seing as you're now officially a racist!) suggest you should have used instead?
I have a really good friend who is Chinese and bemoans the fact that her skin is yellow (her word). I have tried to placate her with the above explanation which does make scientific sense, but like all Chinese women she wants to be white. Yet if a British white person called her yellow we would possibly be committing an offence under today's PC rules. The whole thing is a minefield.
Riley Blue said:
BTW - did anyone spot the Lincolns in the background when the crews were being taken in buses and lorries to their aircraft for the raid?
I didn't spot them then but did spot them in the distance at the end. It was only when I saw the film on a cinema screen that I noticed the Canberra in the rear of one shot. I think it was when the test pilot was getting into or out of a car before or after flying the Wellington to test the bombs.Riley Blue said:
BTW - did anyone spot the Lincolns in the background when the crews were being taken in buses and lorries to their aircraft for the raid?
It's possible a Lincoln from nearby RAF Hemswell (where the crews who were flying the Lancasters had their RAF day jobs flying Lincolns) just happened to be at Scampton on the day of shooting. The film crews only had 4 Lancasters for filming but could use anything else around for background shots. Except Canberras. 
williamp said:
Voldemort said:
williamp said:
bad company said:
If you go to RAF Scampton you can visit N*****'s grave. It pees me off that we can no longer use the N word, this is real history.
Its not freal hisiory, though, is it?? The Dog didnt design the bomb. It didnt fly the plane. It didnt breach the dams in any way. In Paul Brickhill's book (and inm Gibson's book) the Dog is mentionned but no more. The film has the dog in as, I think they wanted to show Gibson as a man alone with a Dog, rather then a husband he actually was...Showing the film inevitably means those who like to can say the "word" and then say "its in the film. Its historic Im not being racist but...." and, as Eric says everything else about the film and the mission becomes inconsequential.
If peter jackson ever made the film again, he could omit the dog entirely. It has nothing to do with the mission. It wouldnt be "PC gone mad" as the Dog isnt anything. Its the same reason why they omitted to tell us what Gibson had for breakfast, the car he drove, the pants he wore: its not part of the story...
I would like to imagine that even back when the film was made they knew the word was key. As such the introduction of the dog and its' scenes are purely so the joyful shout of 'It's
, sir' is put into context. They could, of course, have changed the code word for success and would have been the obvious solution for a remake.'s death gives historical context, his dog dying just before the raid gives a sense of drama knowing many of the men would also die. Gibson's dog was run over shortly before the raid and his name was used as a codeword, that is historically accurate.
and Dingy were used to instruct the remaining aircraft to move on to the next target. The other codeword used was goner and a number...FourWheelDrift said:
Riley Blue said:
BTW - did anyone spot the Lincolns in the background when the crews were being taken in buses and lorries to their aircraft for the raid?
It's possible a Lincoln from nearby RAF Hemswell (where the crews who were flying the Lancasters had their RAF day jobs flying Lincolns) just happened to be at Scampton on the day of shooting. The film crews only had 4 Lancasters for filming but could use anything else around for background shots. Except Canberras. No filming at RAF Harmswell here - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046889/locations?ref_...
nicanary said:
You can't even use the word "coloured" these days. I used it the other day in front of a friend to describe someone of mixed race, and got a right b*llocking. I'm from an older generation, and I find the whole thing very frustrating.
So me letting slip with '.. in the woodpile...' might not have gone down too well?Just to divert the thread some more...am I correct in thinking that the whole timeline of the action is a mere 6 months or so?
Imagine trying to design, prototype, trial and finally drop a new piece of ordnance using current airframes in anything like that timescale.
Barnes Wallace was a bluddy clever bloke. And those pilots were pretty damned good, too. Best of all they had HP sauce on the mess tables as well.
Imagine trying to design, prototype, trial and finally drop a new piece of ordnance using current airframes in anything like that timescale.
Barnes Wallace was a bluddy clever bloke. And those pilots were pretty damned good, too. Best of all they had HP sauce on the mess tables as well.
FourWheelDrift said:
No filming at RAF Harmswell here - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046889/locations?ref_...
There is here: http://www.bcar.org.uk/hemswell-history.phpFourWheelDrift said:
No filming at RAF Harmswell here - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046889/locations?ref_...
IMDB is worse than Wikipedia these days, although in this case it's a sin of omission rather than inaccuracy. Googling for "RAF Hemswell" "Dam Busters" comes up with plenty of references.The Don of Croy said:
Just to divert the thread some more...am I correct in thinking that the whole timeline of the action is a mere 6 months or so?
Imagine trying to design, prototype, trial and finally drop a new piece of ordnance using current airframes in anything like that timescale.
Barnes Wallace was a bluddy clever bloke. And those pilots were pretty damned good, too. Best of all they had HP sauce on the mess tables as well.
I fear they don't build men like these any more. And, note that they Germans made their plants operational only 6 months after the raids! Gotta give them credit for that.Imagine trying to design, prototype, trial and finally drop a new piece of ordnance using current airframes in anything like that timescale.
Barnes Wallace was a bluddy clever bloke. And those pilots were pretty damned good, too. Best of all they had HP sauce on the mess tables as well.
The Don of Croy said:
Just to divert the thread some more...am I correct in thinking that the whole timeline of the action is a mere 6 months or so?
Imagine trying to design, prototype, trial and finally drop a new piece of ordnance using current airframes in anything like that timescale.
Barnes Wallace was a bluddy clever bloke. And those pilots were pretty damned good, too. Best of all they had HP sauce on the mess tables as well.
The Rhur dams had been identified as potential targets before the war but he RAF lacked any method of attacking them that would've had any meaningful effect. Imagine trying to design, prototype, trial and finally drop a new piece of ordnance using current airframes in anything like that timescale.
Barnes Wallace was a bluddy clever bloke. And those pilots were pretty damned good, too. Best of all they had HP sauce on the mess tables as well.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Barnes-Wallis-Bombs-Dambu...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/DAMBUSTERS-RAID-SWEETMAN-...
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