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[unrepentant]

Vipers said:

a coloured chappie

Oh dear.

[Squiggs]

nicanary said:

AMG Merc said:

nicanary said:

You can't even use the word "coloured" these days. I used it the other day in front of a friend to describe someone of mixed race, and got a right b*llocking. I'm from an older generation, and I find the whole thing very frustrating.

I so agree. So friggin confusing these days

Out of interest what word or description did your friends (or now, ex-friends seing as you're now officially a racist!) suggest you should have used instead?

Black. Apparently anyone with any tinge to their skin is now black. My friend (still) pointed out to me that it is we European whites who are coloured - mankind originated in Africa, and our pigmentation changed as a result of climate and diet as we progressively moved away from the Equator. I haven't bothered to check this.

I have a really good friend who is Chinese and bemoans the fact that her skin is yellow (her word). I have tried to placate her with the above explanation which does make scientific sense, but like all Chinese women she wants to be white. Yet if a British white person called her yellow we would possibly be committing an offence under today's PC rules. The whole thing is a minefield.

I have a mate who has very dark black skin, and he is proud of the fact that his blood line has never been 'tinged' by any other colour.
If I refer to any other 'lighter' coloured person as black he gets on his high horse pointing out that they are not black but coloured.
It's a funny old world.

Edited by Squiggs on Tuesday 17th January 13:36

[V8A*ndy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-...

[Wacky Racer]

Prime time ITV viewing 1970's.......

Love thy Neighbour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1dakp4FT0w

How times change....

[Vocal Minority]

AMG Merc said:

I fear they don't build men like these any more. And, note that they Germans made their plants operational only 6 months after the raids! Gotta give them credit for that.

I will bet you any money that should another mass draft take effect for something similar - you would find people stepped up to the plate.

I know it's fashionable for the older generation to think ill of the younger - (actually its easier - and people like to believe it was all better in their youth - ah glory days and all that). I bet your equivalent in 1930 would have said the same, and that 'the young men of today wouldn't stack up to the sort of blokes of the Great War - they were real men'.

Every generation has its heroes, wasters, workers, thugs, geniuses and deviants.

And before you start talking about snowflakes and it not being like that back then

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King_and_Country...

one of a growing trend in the 1930s.

You do the youth of every generation a massive disservice.

It happened. People stepped up to the plate. They would again.

Edited by Vocal Minority on Tuesday 17th January 14:01

[AMG Merc]

I just don't see it out there but let's hope we don't need to put the point to the test.

[bad company]

Wacky Racer said:

Prime time ITV viewing 1970's.......

Love thy Neighbour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1dakp4FT0w

How times change....

Very true. The white guy was always the butt of the joke though.

Edited by bad company on Tuesday 17th January 14:33

[The Don of Croy]

Vocal Minority said:

AMG Merc said:

I fear they don't build men like these any more. And, note that they Germans made their plants operational only 6 months after the raids! Gotta give them credit for that.

I will bet you any money that should another mass draft take effect for something similar - you would find people stepped up to the plate...

One would hope so.

Except, as everyone acknowledges, times change as do attitudes. Today's warrior class will be obliged to do battle with regard to current legal niceties and the recording of much activity for future reference. All well and good if everybody follows the (many) rules, but a bit of a bind if you prefer a free hand.

Can you fight a war on 37 hours per week?

As for 'plate stepping' please can we refrain from baseball-speak and return to colonial cricket metaphors? It's much more in keeping with the thread.

[Halmyre]

Vocal Minority said:

AMG Merc said:

I fear they don't build men like these any more. And, note that they Germans made their plants operational only 6 months after the raids! Gotta give them credit for that.

I will bet you any money that should another mass draft take effect for something similar - you would find people stepped up to the plate.

I know it's fashionable for the older generation to think ill of the younger - (actually its easier - and people like to believe it was all better in their youth - ah glory days and all that). I bet your equivalent in 1930 would have said the same, and that 'the young men of today wouldn't stack up to the sort of blokes of the Great War - they were real men'.

Every generation has its heroes, wasters, workers, thugs, geniuses and deviants.

And before you start talking about snowflakes and it not being like that back then

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King_and_Country...

one of a growing trend in the 1930s.

You do the youth of every generation a massive disservice.

It happened. People stepped up to the plate. They would again.

Edited by Vocal Minority on Tuesday 17th January 14:01

I heard Douglas Bader make exactly that point many years ago on a chat show. Asked if he thought the 'layabouts' of the day would rally to the call, he said that his generation in the 20s/30s were the 'layabouts', and they responded.

[Halmyre]

The Don of Croy said:

Vocal Minority said:

AMG Merc said:

I fear they don't build men like these any more. And, note that they Germans made their plants operational only 6 months after the raids! Gotta give them credit for that.

I will bet you any money that should another mass draft take effect for something similar - you would find people stepped up to the plate...

One would hope so.

Except, as everyone acknowledges, times change as do attitudes. Today's warrior class will be obliged to do battle with regard to current legal niceties and the recording of much activity for future reference. All well and good if everybody follows the (many) rules, but a bit of a bind if you prefer a free hand.

Can you fight a war on 37 hours per week?

As for 'plate stepping' please can we refrain from baseball-speak and return to colonial cricket metaphors? It's much more in keeping with the thread.

Nowadays, given that big business runs everything, what's the point of global warfare? The biggest deterrent to warfare isn't a shedload of big fk-off bombs, it's a McDonalds in every city centre.

[marcosgt]

Wacky Racer said:

Prime time ITV viewing 1970's.......

Love thy Neighbour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1dakp4FT0w

How times change....

Not really, Rudolph Walker is still on in prime time!

People take Love thy Neighbour all wrong (as that edit proves).

As with Alf Garnett, you were supposed to laugh at and pity the ignorant bigot not elect him, errr, sympathise with him.

It was really sexist rather than racist as both men were as stupid as each other and their wives just sorted everything out whilst they spiralled ever downward in an egotistical battle of witlessness.

M

[Vipers]

unrepentant said:

Vipers said:

a coloured chappie

Oh dear.

Is that on the bad list as well, FFS I give in.

[Vipers]

I worked with a bloke from foreign climes (playing safe), his surname was spelt and prounounced as Mr. stamara, get out of that one.

[unrepentant]

Vipers said:

unrepentant said:

Vipers said:

a coloured chappie

Oh dear.

Is that on the bad list as well, FFS I give in.

If you really have to ask...

Think about it for a minute and put yourself in the shoes of the person you are patronizingly calling a "coloured chappie".

[WinstonWolf]

unrepentant said:

Vipers said:

unrepentant said:

Vipers said:

a coloured chappie

Oh dear.

Is that on the bad list as well, FFS I give in.

If you really have to ask...

Think about it for a minute and put yourself in the shoes of the person you are patronizingly calling a "coloured chappie".

Hang on, it was coloured, then black, now it's "person of colour" isn't it?

You can't blame people for being confused as to what's acceptable this week...

[bad company]

WinstonWolf said:

Hang on, it was coloured, then black, now it's "person of colour" isn't it?

You can't blame people for being confused as to what's acceptable this week...

Rather like we once had spasticks, then handicapped then disabled.

It seems to me that there is a term do describe a range of conditions. This term is used in a derogatory way to deride those effected so a new term is used. Then we all go round again.

[AMG Merc]

bad company said:

WinstonWolf said:

Hang on, it was coloured, then black, now it's "person of colour" isn't it?

You can't blame people for being confused as to what's acceptable this week...

Rather like we once had spasticks, then handicapped then disabled.

It seems to me that there is a term do describe a range of conditions. This term is used in a derogatory way to deride those effected so a new term is used. Then we all go round again.

Don't agree with the comparison. Disabled is accepted. Whereas Black and Coloured (plus the ridiculous IMHO 'of colour' derivitve) are both accepted. The challenge is one doesn't know which to use in case of offence because, it seems, nor does anyone else!

[Vipers]

unrepentant said:

Vipers said:

unrepentant said:

Vipers said:

a coloured chappie

Oh dear.

Is that on the bad list as well, FFS I give in.

If you really have to ask...

Think about it for a minute and put yourself in the shoes of the person you are patronizingly calling a "coloured chappie".

Well I didn't know it was frowned on these days, I thought calling people Black was a no no. It's probably more well known amongst groups of people who intergrate more with black people, and know these things.

I am pretty sure in my younger days coloured was acceptable, can we still use "Geordie", "Janners", "Jocks", "Kiwi's", just asking.

[Dr Jekyll]

A motorcycle magazine made a really sensible response when someone said they should stop using the word 'jap' because it was derogatory. They said that as far as they were concerned saying 'Jap bikes are very reliable' was a compliment, saying 'British bikes leak oil' was derogatory.

[unrepentant]

WinstonWolf said:

unrepentant said:

Vipers said:

unrepentant said:

Vipers said:

a coloured chappie

Oh dear.

Is that on the bad list as well, FFS I give in.

If you really have to ask...

Think about it for a minute and put yourself in the shoes of the person you are patronizingly calling a "coloured chappie".

Hang on, it was coloured, then black, now it's "person of colour" isn't it?

You can't blame people for being confused as to what's acceptable this week...

It's none of those things. Why do you have to describe people by the colour of their skin at all?