SAS: Rogue Warriors: BBC2 9pm.
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marcosgt said:
Killing unarmed airman in cold blood?
Whilst the murder of 31 SAS men in France was terrible, it really wasn't a lot different to what Mayne did at the Airfield in Africa, years before.
Good to see it didn't pull punches, though and that he was 'rebuked' for overstepping the mark...
M
Right. You know about the way Germany conducted itself? Straffing women and children on British streets, the list goes on. What would YOU do in their situation?Whilst the murder of 31 SAS men in France was terrible, it really wasn't a lot different to what Mayne did at the Airfield in Africa, years before.
Good to see it didn't pull punches, though and that he was 'rebuked' for overstepping the mark...
M
PurpleAki said:
e and I speak outside of PH.
I sent him the pic because it's a picture of the captain of our football team, who I get to spend some time with because we have ties to the same company.
We decided to put to bed the false rumours that he and I are the same person. A picture with Jordan Henderson was a nice way to do it on an LFC thread. It's as simple as that. There's no conspiracy.
I'm sure you'd like to have your picture taken with Lloris.
All the purpleankle and hanging around with men in the gym digs do you no credit. Let's play nicely.
Hope that clears things up.
It's all just a bit of fun fella, no need to bother the good people in here with you're opinions of me or my posts.I sent him the pic because it's a picture of the captain of our football team, who I get to spend some time with because we have ties to the same company.
We decided to put to bed the false rumours that he and I are the same person. A picture with Jordan Henderson was a nice way to do it on an LFC thread. It's as simple as that. There's no conspiracy.
I'm sure you'd like to have your picture taken with Lloris.
All the purpleankle and hanging around with men in the gym digs do you no credit. Let's play nicely.
Hope that clears things up.
I'm sure they are not interested one little bit.
So further to the advice of a few on here I've encouraged my mother to do some digging around her father as it's family history I'd rather wasn't lost.
She spoke to her sister initially who sent these images and I'm going to suggest they find out more, Mum is adamant he was a 'desert rat', don't know if he could have been selected from that regiment or if it's something that she's latched onto that isn't correct.
She recounted some memories of his terrible treatment at the hands of the Germans - he was captured 3 times and escaped 3 times.
She spoke to her sister initially who sent these images and I'm going to suggest they find out more, Mum is adamant he was a 'desert rat', don't know if he could have been selected from that regiment or if it's something that she's latched onto that isn't correct.
She recounted some memories of his terrible treatment at the hands of the Germans - he was captured 3 times and escaped 3 times.
Sends a bit of a shiver up my spine looking at that photo as he looks a lot like my eldest brother.
Mum says he was classed as A1 on enlisting and E when demobbed - I assume this is in relation to health/state of mind.
He worked alongside the resistance as a saboteur destroying bridges etc. As well the North African campaign; mum said she remembers him talking about jumping from the back of trucks just like the footage in the series.
Apparently when captured he was placed in a cage or box like a coffin and left in the sun. Also stabbed near the base of the spine when he jumped into an occupied trench.
These are just some jumbled snippets, as he didn't talk about it much at all according to my mum. I hope the program helped my mum to understand why he came home the way he did.
All I remember of him is his size, he was a big man, and the smell of tobacco. He would sit in his chair and always give us kids a big shiney 50p piece when we visited.
He was also a petrol head who fixed cars for all the locals in the neighbourhood.
Very proud but ultimately very sad as the war wrecked his life one way or another. Anyway thx for listening if I learn more I'll post up.
Time for a whiskey and to raise a glass.
Mum says he was classed as A1 on enlisting and E when demobbed - I assume this is in relation to health/state of mind.
He worked alongside the resistance as a saboteur destroying bridges etc. As well the North African campaign; mum said she remembers him talking about jumping from the back of trucks just like the footage in the series.
Apparently when captured he was placed in a cage or box like a coffin and left in the sun. Also stabbed near the base of the spine when he jumped into an occupied trench.
These are just some jumbled snippets, as he didn't talk about it much at all according to my mum. I hope the program helped my mum to understand why he came home the way he did.
All I remember of him is his size, he was a big man, and the smell of tobacco. He would sit in his chair and always give us kids a big shiney 50p piece when we visited.
He was also a petrol head who fixed cars for all the locals in the neighbourhood.
Very proud but ultimately very sad as the war wrecked his life one way or another. Anyway thx for listening if I learn more I'll post up.
Time for a whiskey and to raise a glass.
Edited by DoubleSix on Wednesday 22 February 20:52
DoubleSix said:
Sends a bit of a shiver up my spine looking at that photo as he looks a lot like my eldest brother.
Mum says he was classed as A1 on enlisting and E when demobbed - I assume this is in relation to health/state of mind.
He worked alongside the resistance as a saboteur destroying bridges etc. As well the North African campaign; mum said she remembers him talking about jumping from the back of trucks just like the footage in the series.
Apparently when captured he was placed in a cage or box like a coffin and left in the sun. Also stabbed near the base of the spine when he jumped into an occupied trench.
These are just some jumbled snippets, as he didn't talk about it much at all according to my mum. I hope the program helped my mum to understand why he came home the way he did.
All I remember of him is his size, he was a big man, and the smell of tobacco. He would sit in his chair and always give us kids a big shiney 50p piece when we visited.
He was also a petrol head who fixed cars for all the locals in the neighbourhood.
Very proud but ultimately very sad as the war wrecked his life one way or another. Anyway thx for listening if I learn more I'll post up.
Time for a whiskey and to raise a glass.
He's a hero sir, what he did played a massive part in stopping evil. May he rest easy. Mum says he was classed as A1 on enlisting and E when demobbed - I assume this is in relation to health/state of mind.
He worked alongside the resistance as a saboteur destroying bridges etc. As well the North African campaign; mum said she remembers him talking about jumping from the back of trucks just like the footage in the series.
Apparently when captured he was placed in a cage or box like a coffin and left in the sun. Also stabbed near the base of the spine when he jumped into an occupied trench.
These are just some jumbled snippets, as he didn't talk about it much at all according to my mum. I hope the program helped my mum to understand why he came home the way he did.
All I remember of him is his size, he was a big man, and the smell of tobacco. He would sit in his chair and always give us kids a big shiney 50p piece when we visited.
He was also a petrol head who fixed cars for all the locals in the neighbourhood.
Very proud but ultimately very sad as the war wrecked his life one way or another. Anyway thx for listening if I learn more I'll post up.
Time for a whiskey and to raise a glass.
Edited by DoubleSix on Wednesday 22 February 20:52
Bunfighter said:
marcosgt said:
Killing unarmed airman in cold blood?
Whilst the murder of 31 SAS men in France was terrible, it really wasn't a lot different to what Mayne did at the Airfield in Africa, years before.
Good to see it didn't pull punches, though and that he was 'rebuked' for overstepping the mark...
M
Right. You know about the way Germany conducted itself? Straffing women and children on British streets, the list goes on. What would YOU do in their situation?Whilst the murder of 31 SAS men in France was terrible, it really wasn't a lot different to what Mayne did at the Airfield in Africa, years before.
Good to see it didn't pull punches, though and that he was 'rebuked' for overstepping the mark...
M
His mission was to blow up German planes and not be seen, not to kill unarmed airmen. Clearly he couldn't take 30 men prisoner, but he didn't need to go into their mess and kill them.
The British bombed Dresden killing around 25,000 civilians for no strategic gain, too.
Bad things happen in wars, but you don't have to condone them. Many are mistakes, clearly Mayne's action was deliberate and completely avoidable.
Two wrongs don't make a right... as my Gran used to say
M
Edited by marcosgt on Thursday 23 February 11:54
marcosgt said:
Indeed I do, but even his commanding officer felt he'd gone too far.
His mission was to blow up German planes and not be seen, not to kill unarmed airmen. Clearly he couldn't take 30 men prisoner, but he didn't need to go into their mess and kill them.
The British bombed Dresden killing around 25,000 civilians for no strategic gain, too.
Bad things happen in wars, but you don't have to condone them. Many are mistakes, clearly Mayne's action was deliberate and completely avoidable.
Two wrongs don't make a right... as my Gran used to say
M
You need to read about the ethic of WWII. There's been a few books. Coventry, Manchester, London, VI, VII. Britain excelled at bombing and was arguably better at hitting factories, cities and other targets. Dresden is argued as a war crime however it could be seen as a necessary evil. If German civilians didn't agree with their leaders they could always have demonstrated, become partisans or left. The truth is many supported Hitler wholeheartedly. Stalin's noted after the war 'where SAS the opposition'? Hitler couldn't have sent all political activitists' to the concentration camps. Civilians in both sides were targets. His mission was to blow up German planes and not be seen, not to kill unarmed airmen. Clearly he couldn't take 30 men prisoner, but he didn't need to go into their mess and kill them.
The British bombed Dresden killing around 25,000 civilians for no strategic gain, too.
Bad things happen in wars, but you don't have to condone them. Many are mistakes, clearly Mayne's action was deliberate and completely avoidable.
Two wrongs don't make a right... as my Gran used to say
M
Edited by marcosgt on Thursday 23 February 11:54
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