BBC Top Gear 2017 Thread
Discussion
r11co said:
No, seriously! My karma is good regarding the ginger t
t at the moment.
Last word on the subject - what a lot of people don't know about him (although you don't have to dig too far to find evidence) is that he's lost a lot of people a lot of money (himself included), going back as far as the Virgin radio/SMG days (who at least successfully managed to sue him and recover most of their losses).
For all his public facing success he is a liability - someone who initially invests heavily in projects in terms of his time backed by other peoples' money, but then he gets all pissy and walks off because he isn't as good at his job as he initially gives the impression of and doesn't like it when he is asked by his backers to show some quality because the job has turned out to be harder than it looks, or he has lost interest and found a 'better offer'.
Top Gear (and his bailing on TFIF revival) was the latest high-profile example, this time at the licence-payers' expense.
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You seem obsessed, I liked him on TG so much so that I wrote to him to say it. He got a lot of stick from petulant children such as yourself, a self-confessed "my mate said" type.t at the moment.Last word on the subject - what a lot of people don't know about him (although you don't have to dig too far to find evidence) is that he's lost a lot of people a lot of money (himself included), going back as far as the Virgin radio/SMG days (who at least successfully managed to sue him and recover most of their losses).
For all his public facing success he is a liability - someone who initially invests heavily in projects in terms of his time backed by other peoples' money, but then he gets all pissy and walks off because he isn't as good at his job as he initially gives the impression of and doesn't like it when he is asked by his backers to show some quality because the job has turned out to be harder than it looks, or he has lost interest and found a 'better offer'.
Top Gear (and his bailing on TFIF revival) was the latest high-profile example, this time at the licence-payers' expense.
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Edited by r11co on Saturday 25th February 18:57
Theres too much wrong with evans to let it hijack this thread folks. Just be glad the jumped up cypher has not only gone but failed quite publically. /.
As for new new new top gear, r11co summed it up, it feels like they're all pretending, masquerading around in someone elses clothes. They, or the beeb, should really differentiate themselves from CMH and earn respect and build themselves a new identity, rather than rehashing the old crews cliches and in-jokes, otherwise it will never feel like anything other than a cheap knockoff.
They tried derivative knockoff with the master of the art evans and look how that tanked. Now they need something fresh. Sadly the naughty boys themed trailer doesnt suggest that to me, neither does SIAFC, which just loses the humanising aspect clarkson brought to "reasonably priced" 'sleb section. I'll give it a go FWIW.
As for new new new top gear, r11co summed it up, it feels like they're all pretending, masquerading around in someone elses clothes. They, or the beeb, should really differentiate themselves from CMH and earn respect and build themselves a new identity, rather than rehashing the old crews cliches and in-jokes, otherwise it will never feel like anything other than a cheap knockoff.
They tried derivative knockoff with the master of the art evans and look how that tanked. Now they need something fresh. Sadly the naughty boys themed trailer doesnt suggest that to me, neither does SIAFC, which just loses the humanising aspect clarkson brought to "reasonably priced" 'sleb section. I'll give it a go FWIW.
Went this weekend, far better than last series with better chemistry between the boys.
Still a little bit forced..something just doesn't quite click with Rory, seems a bit of an add on to the other two.
Having seen the VT's I think it is going to be a good show, but nothing to rival what it used to be.
With that said, it appears to be going back to more of a car show with Chris' input.
That is something which may drop viewing figures; but for us as petrol-heads it is a welcome return.
Still a little bit forced..something just doesn't quite click with Rory, seems a bit of an add on to the other two.
Having seen the VT's I think it is going to be a good show, but nothing to rival what it used to be.
With that said, it appears to be going back to more of a car show with Chris' input.
That is something which may drop viewing figures; but for us as petrol-heads it is a welcome return.
I get what you mean about Rory. For me it seems as if he's never 'natural', like everything is an act.
Even when he was walking around the studio he looked like he was concentrating on having a cool walk.
It's like he's really not very confident in reality, so creates this persona. Still, he's enjoyable on screen.
Was Rory the cause of most of the retakes on Saturday? He certainly was on Wed!
Even when he was walking around the studio he looked like he was concentrating on having a cool walk.
It's like he's really not very confident in reality, so creates this persona. Still, he's enjoyable on screen.
Was Rory the cause of most of the retakes on Saturday? He certainly was on Wed!
hairyben said:
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As for new new new top gear, r11co summed it up, it feels like they're all pretending, masquerading around in someone elses clothes. They, or the beeb, should really differentiate themselves from CMH and earn respect and build themselves a new identity, rather than rehashing the old crews cliches and in-jokes, otherwise it will never feel like anything other than a cheap knockoff.
They tried derivative knockoff with the master of the art evans and look how that tanked. Now they need something fresh. Sadly the naughty boys themed trailer doesnt suggest that to me, neither does SIAFC, which just loses the humanising aspect clarkson brought to "reasonably priced" 'sleb section. I'll give it a go FWIW.
There are two ways to look at the Top Gear format. There are those who like the BBC format which is 'Top Gear', and those who like Clarkson, Hammond and May. For many years they were one and the same but now we have both. CHM are off doing their own thing which has received mixed reviews, and hopefully the new TG series will be a continued improvement on the Top Gear format. It doesn't need a new identity, it just needs to re-affirm the things it does well around a new presenter line up. Remember Top Gear is a BBC format, not a CHM production.As for new new new top gear, r11co summed it up, it feels like they're all pretending, masquerading around in someone elses clothes. They, or the beeb, should really differentiate themselves from CMH and earn respect and build themselves a new identity, rather than rehashing the old crews cliches and in-jokes, otherwise it will never feel like anything other than a cheap knockoff.
They tried derivative knockoff with the master of the art evans and look how that tanked. Now they need something fresh. Sadly the naughty boys themed trailer doesnt suggest that to me, neither does SIAFC, which just loses the humanising aspect clarkson brought to "reasonably priced" 'sleb section. I'll give it a go FWIW.
The start of the last series was as bad as the last CHM series. CHM had got stale and Evens wasn't the answer, but it is looking very positive for this new series which is great news.
Beefmeister said:
I get what you mean about Rory. For me it seems as if he's never 'natural', like everything is an act.
Even when he was walking around the studio he looked like he was concentrating on having a cool walk.
It's like he's really not very confident in reality, so creates this persona. Still, he's enjoyable on screen.
Was Rory the cause of most of the retakes on Saturday? He certainly was on Wed!
Agreed on the walk- there was a joke going around the studio about it. Even when he was walking around the studio he looked like he was concentrating on having a cool walk.
It's like he's really not very confident in reality, so creates this persona. Still, he's enjoyable on screen.
Was Rory the cause of most of the retakes on Saturday? He certainly was on Wed!
In all fairness Matt didn't have a great recording session- Rory made the least mistakes out of all three!
The Surveyor said:
Remember Top Gear is a BBC format, not a CHM production.
Strictly speaking that's not true. The current Top Gear format is a Bedder 6 Productions idea. Bedder 6 was the previous incarnation of W. Chump & Sons and was sold to the BBC in 2012. Therefor it was indeed a CHMW production. The only thing the BBC contributed to the mix was the title of the show.The fact that C and W are no longer board members at Bedder 6 does not change the fact that they are still credited as the creators of the show format.
Edited by r11co on Monday 27th February 14:17
r11co said:
The Surveyor said:
Remember Top Gear is a BBC format, not a CHM production.
Strictly speaking that's not true. The current Top Gear format is a Bedder 6 Productions idea that the BBC bought in 2007. Bedder 6 was the previous incarnation of W. Chump & Sons. Therefor it was indeed a CHMW production. The only thing the BBC contributed to the mix was the title of the show.
Yipper said:
TG is now on the up, while GT and DriveTribe are on the down.
TG will never hit the heights of the Clarkson era, but world-class BBC editing should make up for the current, slightly-lame "we're great mates" trio.
TG only really had one way to go after the excrement that was last season. TG will never hit the heights of the Clarkson era, but world-class BBC editing should make up for the current, slightly-lame "we're great mates" trio.
Trailer looks ok, if a bit Top Gear by numbers, but will give it a watch on Sunday to see how they get on. If it goes well we'll have 2 (maybe even 3 if Netflix produce one as rumoured) decent car shows, if not Grand Tour is back later in the year, so win win really.
Yipper said:
world-class BBC editing should make up for the current, slightly-lame "we're great mates" trio.
That's a hopeful statement if there ever was one. The 'world-class' editing relies on the show being able to continue to bring in world-class revenue. The BBC might be willing to write-off the Evans era, but another big-budget screw-up is unsustainable and something would have to give.It's a Catch-22 situation. Pretty visuals are the icing on the cake of a show that has a decent subject matter. If that deteriorates then so does the audience and thereafter the budget, and the long, slow slide into 'Fifth Gear' mediocrity awaits. If the only thing hanging the show together is the production values then it is already screwed.
Edited by r11co on Monday 27th February 14:44
0000 said:
PH XKR said:
You seem obsessed...
PH XKR said:
...I wrote to him...
kwits" that liked him (including me).Looking forward to the show, hope it isn't just a cheap copy.
r11co said:
The Surveyor said:
Remember Top Gear is a BBC format, not a CHM production.
Strictly speaking that's not true. The current Top Gear format is a Bedder 6 Productions idea. Bedder 6 was the previous incarnation of W. Chump & Sons and was sold to the BBC in 2012. Therefor it was indeed a CHMW production. The only thing the BBC contributed to the mix was the title of the show.The fact that C and W are no longer board members at Bedder 6 does not change the fact that they are still credited as the creators of the show format.
bodhi said:
TG only really had one way to go after the excrement that was last season.
Trailer looks ok, if a bit Top Gear by numbers, but will give it a watch on Sunday to see how they get on. If it goes well we'll have 2 (maybe even 3 if Netflix produce one as rumoured) decent car shows, if not Grand Tour is back later in the year, so win win really.
I'd add Jay Lenos Garage into that mix as well. Okay - it clearly has a tiny budget, but it is miles better than anything on the Discovery network.Trailer looks ok, if a bit Top Gear by numbers, but will give it a watch on Sunday to see how they get on. If it goes well we'll have 2 (maybe even 3 if Netflix produce one as rumoured) decent car shows, if not Grand Tour is back later in the year, so win win really.
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