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ker and be done with it. That's why we cook meat. Otherwise stop shooting the bunnies.Trabi601 said:
Personally I wouldn't.
(On the subject of McDonald's, they have some of the highest welfare and quality demands in the food industry)
I doubt it, they serve crap and pretend to be a restaurant. They sell cheap because they buy cheap. Somewhere else a price for the cheapness is being paid. (On the subject of McDonald's, they have some of the highest welfare and quality demands in the food industry)
Boosted LS1 said:
I doubt it, they serve crap and pretend to be a restaurant. They sell cheap because they buy cheap. Somewhere else a price for the cheapness is being paid.
I've previously worked in food service and additionally know the editor of one of the main food industry trade magazines. Believe me, they are extremely stringent with their requirements. To the extent that some UK supermarkets look like dodgy Dave's back street meat emporium.
I am a vet, one of my colleagues 8 years ago or so had devoted his career to animal welfare was being paid as a consultant to MDs to improve their animal welfare, he was very impressed with their commitment to improving animal welfare for their burgers and the amount of money they were prepared to throw at it...
There are some real issues in the welfare of animals consumed in the UK. The proportion of unlabelled religious slaughtered beef sold to the British public is disgusting. Danish pork / bacon is also not allowed in my house.
As regards the tapeworm, it's the cysts that you really want to avoid eating, like little blisters. More likely in the abdominal cavity than in the meat, have a look around the liver. google taenia cysticerci.
There are some real issues in the welfare of animals consumed in the UK. The proportion of unlabelled religious slaughtered beef sold to the British public is disgusting. Danish pork / bacon is also not allowed in my house.
As regards the tapeworm, it's the cysts that you really want to avoid eating, like little blisters. More likely in the abdominal cavity than in the meat, have a look around the liver. google taenia cysticerci.
jmsgld said:
I am a vet, one of my colleagues 8 years ago or so had devoted his career to animal welfare was being paid as a consultant to MDs to improve their animal welfare, he was very impressed with their commitment to improving animal welfare for their burgers and the amount of money they were prepared to throw at it...
There are some real issues in the welfare of animals consumed in the UK. The proportion of unlabelled religious slaughtered beef sold to the British public is disgusting. Danish pork / bacon is also not allowed in my house.
As regards the tapeworm, it's the cysts that you really want to avoid eating, like little blisters. More likely in the abdominal cavity than in the meat, have a look around the liver. google taenia cysticerci.
Just out of interest, as you clearly know the area of animal welfare better than most, why do you have a particular issue with religious slaughtering?There are some real issues in the welfare of animals consumed in the UK. The proportion of unlabelled religious slaughtered beef sold to the British public is disgusting. Danish pork / bacon is also not allowed in my house.
As regards the tapeworm, it's the cysts that you really want to avoid eating, like little blisters. More likely in the abdominal cavity than in the meat, have a look around the liver. google taenia cysticerci.
I accept that there may be more humane ways of slaughtering an animal, but I would've thought the welfare standards during the 18 months the cow is alive would concern you more than the last 18 seconds?
I think you'll find that bacon is actually everything.....
I think it's entirely fair to say you won't eat animals if they have either had a bad life (ze piggies) or been killed in a horrible manner (religious slaughtering). Doesn't mean that's an exhaustive list of things he won't have in the house cos of animal welfare concerns, just examples.
I think it's entirely fair to say you won't eat animals if they have either had a bad life (ze piggies) or been killed in a horrible manner (religious slaughtering). Doesn't mean that's an exhaustive list of things he won't have in the house cos of animal welfare concerns, just examples.
In the UK animals are legally required to be "stunned" before slaughter. Usually a captive bolt for cattle, basically it is shot in the head. Instant game over, no pain, no suffering.
There is an exemption for religious slaughter, Halal often stun anyway but Kosher refuse.
The animal has it's neck cut with a single action, if it is done perfectly then it will usually take a cow 30s or so to lose consciousness. However due to the particular circulation in cattle, a proportion of particularly unlucky (often smaller cattle / calves) then it will take 1-2 minutes or longer.
If it is not done perfectly then it can take an awful lot longer (this happens more than anyone likes to admit).
During those seconds to minutes the cow is in absolute distress. Put yourself in their shoes.
It is unnecessary suffering. By buying that meat you are condoning the method of slaughter.
One of the worst things about it is that only a small proportion of the religiously slaughtered meat is ever intended to be sold as such, the rest is the necessary throughput of the abattoir to keep the costs down.
The Danes have poorer welfare standards for pigs than the UK, so I buy British.
Welfare of farm animals in the UK is generally pretty good, dairy is one of the more variable areas, an interesting point for vegetarians.
Buying British meat from your local butcher is a good way to go. There are a million other welfare issues, the two I mentioned originally would be two easy ones to improve.
There is an exemption for religious slaughter, Halal often stun anyway but Kosher refuse.
The animal has it's neck cut with a single action, if it is done perfectly then it will usually take a cow 30s or so to lose consciousness. However due to the particular circulation in cattle, a proportion of particularly unlucky (often smaller cattle / calves) then it will take 1-2 minutes or longer.
If it is not done perfectly then it can take an awful lot longer (this happens more than anyone likes to admit).
During those seconds to minutes the cow is in absolute distress. Put yourself in their shoes.
It is unnecessary suffering. By buying that meat you are condoning the method of slaughter.
One of the worst things about it is that only a small proportion of the religiously slaughtered meat is ever intended to be sold as such, the rest is the necessary throughput of the abattoir to keep the costs down.
The Danes have poorer welfare standards for pigs than the UK, so I buy British.
Welfare of farm animals in the UK is generally pretty good, dairy is one of the more variable areas, an interesting point for vegetarians.
Buying British meat from your local butcher is a good way to go. There are a million other welfare issues, the two I mentioned originally would be two easy ones to improve.
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