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hornetrider

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63,161 posts

204 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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Really rather looking forward to this.



Blurb said:
From the opening shot of SS-GB, it is clear this is a world that is both familiar but also arrestingly alien. There are the rolling hills of the South Downs, the dome of St Paul’s and opulent columns of Buckingham Palace – with a difference: they are all emblazoned with swastikas.

The series is the newest ambitious, big-budget drama from the BBC. Based on the bestselling novel by Len Deighton, SS-GB envisions a world in 1941 in which the Nazis won the Battle of Britain and took full control of the UK. It is, according to the creators, “the ultimate post-truth drama – what could be more fitting for this moment in time?”
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/feb/10/ss-gb-nazi-britain-dystopian-parallel-universe-television-drama


Smiler.

11,752 posts

229 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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Is this the sequel to Himm & Herr?

williamp

19,213 posts

272 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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SS Great Britain?? Lovely ship but surely should be Bristol based??

Paul Dishman

4,676 posts

236 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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A Len Deighton dystopian novel, I read it when it was published. It'll be interesting to see how it'll be portrayed

marcosgt

11,011 posts

175 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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I'm looking forward to it.

I recall enjoying the book when I read it decades ago, but not much of the detail.

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RichB

51,430 posts

283 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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I also read the book and really enjoyed it. So much so that when I saw a copy in my local charity shop I bought it and read it again! I have high expectations for the TV program.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

151 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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I'm looking forward to this.

I am not a fan of speculative histories - a few nice touches aside, Man in the High Castle is a disappointing show to be honest - not read the book in fairness.

I did like Fatherland by Robert Harris though - its a sensible set of suppositions and extrapolations from what we already know and that makes the story believable and compelling. High Castle all just feels a bit far fetched.

This looks slickly done and I have heard good things about the book so I am looking forward to it.

PH XKR

1,761 posts

101 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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if its half as good as the man in the high castle, it will be epic

Lurking Lawyer

4,534 posts

224 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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Vocal Minority said:
I am not a fan of speculative histories - a few nice touches aside, Man in the High Castle is a disappointing show to be honest - not read the book in fairness.

I did like Fatherland by Robert Harris though - its a sensible set of suppositions and extrapolations from what we already know and that makes the story believable and compelling. High Castle all just feels a bit far fetched.
It has been quite a while since I read either but, from memory, I seem to remember thinking at the time I read Fatherland that it was in a similar vein to SSGB which I had read previously.

I am looking forward to the TV adaptation.

EDIT: Just spotted that it starts this Sunday - sooner than I thought!

Edited by Lurking Lawyer on Monday 13th February 16:37

TEKNOPUG

18,843 posts

204 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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Blurb said:
From the opening shot of SS-GB, it is clear this is a world that is both familiar but also arrestingly alien. There are the rolling hills of the South Downs, the dome of St Paul’s and opulent columns of Buckingham Palace – with a difference: they are all emblazoned with swastikas.

The series is the newest ambitious, big-budget drama from the BBC. Based on the bestselling novel by Len Deighton, SS-GB envisions a world in 1941 in which the Nazis won the Battle of Britain and took full control of the UK. It is, according to the creators, “the ultimate post-truth drama – what could be more fitting for this moment in time?”
It's post-truth in as much as it couldn't possibly have happened, even with supposed German air superiority. Lets hope it's better than the dreadful "Close to teh Enemy" that the BBC produced recently.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

151 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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I honestly haven't given much thought to the logistical side of it - why would it not happen in your opinion?

I always thought that they would do what they did with France, with a puppet government located elsewhere. Though I suppose a physically occupied rump somewhere like the south east would need retaining

RichB

51,430 posts

283 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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TEKNOPUG said:
It's post-truth in as much as it couldn't possibly have happened, even with supposed German air superiority. Lets hope it's better than the dreadful "Close to the Enemy" that the BBC produced recently.
laugh "Close to The Enemy" yes, I gave up on that after just a couple of episodes. it was all very implausible but worse than that was Jim Sturgess's accent. He seemed to play Captain Callum Ferguson with some weird clipped cockney/vaguely american/vaguely estrine accent that as a Londoner made me turn off. It was just awful!

Jonesy23

4,650 posts

135 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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TEKNOPUG said:
Blurb said:
From the opening shot of SS-GB, it is clear this is a world that is both familiar but also arrestingly alien. There are the rolling hills of the South Downs, the dome of St Paul’s and opulent columns of Buckingham Palace – with a difference: they are all emblazoned with swastikas.

The series is the newest ambitious, big-budget drama from the BBC. Based on the bestselling novel by Len Deighton, SS-GB envisions a world in 1941 in which the Nazis won the Battle of Britain and took full control of the UK. It is, according to the creators, “the ultimate post-truth drama – what could be more fitting for this moment in time?”
It's post-truth in as much as it couldn't possibly have happened, even with supposed German air superiority. Lets hope it's better than the dreadful "Close to teh Enemy" that the BBC produced recently.
I thought in this they'd taken control of the southern UK and the north was still in flux? Rather than full control of the UK.

From what I remember of the war gaming done in the years afterwards an invasion in the south was possible and would have worked inland for quite a way but seriously slowed by the various defences that were in place (and there were lots) which would have given time to get forces down to cut the supply lines and stop the whole thing.

Would have been difficult on both sides though, and subject to the whim of history about who could sustain forces and supplies.

If various things had gone differently at a few points in the war it could have happened, there was nothing absolute to stop it.

TEKNOPUG

18,843 posts

204 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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RichB said:
TEKNOPUG said:
It's post-truth in as much as it couldn't possibly have happened, even with supposed German air superiority. Lets hope it's better than the dreadful "Close to the Enemy" that the BBC produced recently.
laugh "Close to The Enemy" yes, I gave up on that after just a couple of episodes. it was all very implausible but worse than that was Jim Sturgess's accent. He seemed to play Captain Callum Ferguson with some weird clipped cockney/vaguely american/vaguely estrine accent that as a Londoner made me turn off. It was just awful!
The accent, acting and script. Otherwise it was great hehe

TEKNOPUG

18,843 posts

204 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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Jonesy23 said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Blurb said:
From the opening shot of SS-GB, it is clear this is a world that is both familiar but also arrestingly alien. There are the rolling hills of the South Downs, the dome of St Paul’s and opulent columns of Buckingham Palace – with a difference: they are all emblazoned with swastikas.

The series is the newest ambitious, big-budget drama from the BBC. Based on the bestselling novel by Len Deighton, SS-GB envisions a world in 1941 in which the Nazis won the Battle of Britain and took full control of the UK. It is, according to the creators, “the ultimate post-truth drama – what could be more fitting for this moment in time?”
It's post-truth in as much as it couldn't possibly have happened, even with supposed German air superiority. Lets hope it's better than the dreadful "Close to teh Enemy" that the BBC produced recently.
I thought in this they'd taken control of the southern UK and the north was still in flux? Rather than full control of the UK.

From what I remember of the war gaming done in the years afterwards an invasion in the south was possible and would have worked inland for quite a way but seriously slowed by the various defences that were in place (and there were lots) which would have given time to get forces down to cut the supply lines and stop the whole thing.
Under the war gaming premise, it was a matter of days, a week at absolute most before supplies were exhausted and a surrender was inevitable. I don't think they'd have the time or inclination to set up a puppet government in the South for the few days they controlled it.



Jonesy23 said:
If various things had gone differently at a few points in the war it could have happened, there was nothing absolute to stop it.
The thing that would absolutely stop it was the Royal Navy. The Germans had no way of countering the Home Fleet, even with air superiority over the Channel. All the leading German military figures acknowledged this; Goering, Donitz, Raeder, Galland, Von Rundstedt etc thought that it was not possible and didn't even consider it a serious proposition. It was at best a political bluff.

Halmyre

11,147 posts

138 months

Tuesday 14th February 2017
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Vocal Minority said:
I honestly haven't given much thought to the logistical side of it - why would it not happen in your opinion?

I always thought that they would do what they did with France, with a puppet government located elsewhere. Though I suppose a physically occupied rump somewhere like the south east would need retaining
Nobody has ever come up with a working scenario for Operation Sea Lion. It has been discussed to death on 'what-if' and alt-history forums and in every case the invasion fleet ends up at the bottom of the channel, assuming it makes it out of harbour in the first place.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 14th February 2017
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Looking forward to this too.

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

136 months

Tuesday 14th February 2017
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So what is it?

Dystopian vision of the future where Nigel Farage is the PM?

marcosgt

11,011 posts

175 months

Tuesday 14th February 2017
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MarshPhantom said:
So what is it?

Dystopian Likely vision of the future where Nigel Farage is the PM?
Fixed?

M.

louiechevy

644 posts

192 months

Tuesday 14th February 2017
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Operation sea lion was pretty much a non starter here's a link to the war game carried out at Sandhurst in 1974 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion_(...