SS GB

[4x4Tyke]

I have to wonder what they would say if it was the aircraft that was rebuilt in recent years after crashing at Dunkirk.

I prefer suspension of disbelief.

[craigjm]

ClockworkCupcake said:

craigjm said:

It really is something I find hilarious that people stop watching a show because of some slight historical innacuracies

Wait, when did anyone say that?

It was just light-hearted discussion, that's all. Who made you a moderator?

Apologies I wasn't referring to this thread. I was referring to a large number of tweets that went out on the first night saying things like they had stopped watching it after the wrong spitfire landed etc

[ClockworkCupcake]

craigjm said:

Apologies I wasn't referring to this thread. I was referring to a large number of tweets that went out on the first night saying things like they had stopped watching it after the wrong spitfire landed etc

Ah, ok. Sorry. As you were.

[RichB]

craigjm said:

...I remember my Dad going on about mk3 Allegros in Life on Mars and I'm like..... he is in a coma it's not real!

Sorry to hear that, I hope he's ok now.

[craigjm]

RichB said:

craigjm said:

...I remember my Dad going on about mk3 Allegros in Life on Mars and I'm like..... he is in a coma it's not real!

Sorry to hear that, I hope he's ok now.

[Yertis]

4x4Tyke said:

I have to wonder what they would say if it was the aircraft that was rebuilt in recent years after crashing at Dunkirk.

I prefer suspension of disbelief.

Do you mean this one?



That's exactly what they should have used. Since it was all CGI, and there are early mark Spit replicas about, it would have been easy to get right.

So I'd have said "Well done BBC, you obviously did your homework this time."

[Smollet]

ClockworkCupcake said:

Quite. I sometimes wonder if Hitler in fact lost the war rather than the Allies winning it, so to speak. Had Hitler honoured his agreement with Russia, rather than opening up a second front, and also allowed the Me262 to be developed as a fighter rather than insisting it be a bomber against all advice, then I wonder if things might have turned out very differently.

Hitler thought he knew better than his advisors. The rest they say is history.

[Brave Fart]

Nope, sorry, the pace is still far too slow, still mumbling speech, still far too much smoking, still gloomy lighting. I'm out.

[nicanary]

Brave Fart said:

Nope, sorry, the pace is still far too slow, still mumbling speech, still far too much smoking, still gloomy lighting. I'm out.

People smoked an awful lot in those days. It's realistic. Since the events being portrayed never happened, we don't know whether cigarettes were being rationed, or whether tobacco was finding its way from overseas without hindrance now that GB was out of the war.

Ditto gloomy lighting. Most bulbs would have been 40w/60w at the most. It's how it was. The producers are just trying to recreate what life looked like in 1944.

[Halmyre]

nicanary said:

Brave Fart said:

Nope, sorry, the pace is still far too slow, still mumbling speech, still far too much smoking, still gloomy lighting. I'm out.

People smoked an awful lot in those days. It's realistic. Since the events being portrayed never happened, we don't know whether cigarettes were being rationed, or whether tobacco was finding its way from overseas without hindrance now that GB was out of the war.

Ditto gloomy lighting. Most bulbs would have been 40w/60w at the most. It's how it was. The producers are just trying to recreate what life looked like in 1944.

Of course, if nobody was smoking there'd be complaints about "why is nobody smoking, PC gone mad, etc., etc.".

[hidetheelephants]

Halmyre said:

nicanary said:

Brave Fart said:

Nope, sorry, the pace is still far too slow, still mumbling speech, still far too much smoking, still gloomy lighting. I'm out.

People smoked an awful lot in those days. It's realistic. Since the events being portrayed never happened, we don't know whether cigarettes were being rationed, or whether tobacco was finding its way from overseas without hindrance now that GB was out of the war.

Ditto gloomy lighting. Most bulbs would have been 40w/60w at the most. It's how it was. The producers are just trying to recreate what life looked like in 1944.

Of course, if nobody was smoking there'd be complaints about "why is nobody smoking, PC gone mad, etc., etc.".

It must have been nearly ubiquitous; servicemen got issued tobacco and the Red Cross sent cigarettes to POW camps.

[RichB]

hidetheelephants said:

It must have been nearly ubiquitous; servicemen got issued tobacco and the Red Cross sent cigarettes to POW camps.

It was. I don't know how old people are on this thread but I'm 60 so remember the late '50s/early '60s which was of course, only 15 years after the war. I had 4 uncles & aunts who all smoked so family gatherings were a nightmare. As soon as one put out a cigarette another would get their packet out and hand them round. It was continuous...

We were posh though so we had 100w bulbs and standard lamps to brighten the place up

[Vocal Minority]

RichB said:

Vocal Minority said:

...And I know I took part with the whole SS/Jaguar thing. But at least I am man enough to admit it is because I am an insufferable nerd, not because it genuinely detracted from the story!

And fortunately you didn't jump on the bandwagon to say they wouldn't have had a Jaguar during WWII (nothing more funny than a nerd with egg on his face) because as all petrolheads should know, the Jaguar was an SS model introduced in 1935

Oh I went there

Did Stalin plan to have a pop at Hitler? I never realised. Any reading material to recommend?

Also - I think Japan would still have attacked Pearl Harbour. They needed the American pacific fleet de-powered for their own regional ambitions that had been going on since the mid 30s.

[nicanary]

RichB said:

hidetheelephants said:

It must have been nearly ubiquitous; servicemen got issued tobacco and the Red Cross sent cigarettes to POW camps.

It was. I don't know how old people are on this thread but I'm 60 so remember the late '50s/early '60s which was of course, only 15 years after the war. I had 4 uncles & aunts who all smoked so family gatherings were a nightmare. As soon as one put out a cigarette another would get their packet out and hand them round. It was continuous...

We were posh though so we had 100w bulbs and standard lamps to brighten the place up

I'm also in my 60s. My father smoked Players full-strength, and like many men of his generation his fingers were stained yellow by the nicotine. My mother also smoked as did just about every adult I knew. They would smoke in the room where we all sat, their kids inhaling the smoke - no wonder so many kids took up the habit, they probably had become addicted without realising.

If you watch any film from the 1930s/40s/50s you'll see most people smoking because it was part of everyday life, just like a film of the 2010s will show everybody addicted to their mobile phone screen.

PS as regards the SS/Jaguar argument, IMHO a kid calling a car Jaguar would be no different to a kid of today naming a car as a Fiesta. Just a model name. If you want to know why Sir William Lyons decided that maybe he would be better calling the company something else, have a look at their pre-war logo. Look familiar?

Edited by nicanary on Tuesday 28th February 13:44

[RichB]

nicanary said:

...IMHO a kid calling a car Jaguar would be no different to a kid of today naming a car as a Fiesta. Just a model name. If you want to know why Sir William Lyons decided that maybe he would be better calling the company something else, have a look at their pre-war logo. Look familiar?

Exactly, so perfectly within keeping. Like me saying my Dad's brought a new Rapier home (which he did). I wouldn't have said Sunbeam. Obviously I've seen the SS badge hundreds of times but younger people may find it interesting.

[craigjm]

The interesting thing historically is that the SS came into existence before SS cars

[nicanary]

craigjm said:

The interesting thing historically is that the SS came into existence before SS cars

Lyons didn't have his thinking cap on, or more likely didn't foresee the impact the SS would have on international affairs. In fairness, the moniker Swallow Sidecars wouldn't have sold a lot of sporty-looking cars like the 90 and 100.

[RichB]

craigjm said:

The interesting thing historically is that the SS came into existence before SS cars

Well Swallow Sidecars pre-dates the SS by a few years 1922 vs 1925 but as you say the SS One was 1932.

[craigjm]

RichB said:

Well Swallow Sidecars pre-dates the SS by a few years 1922 vs 1925 but as you say the SS One was 1932.

The German looking logo and the initials SS were never adopted by swallow Sidecars and was also renamed the swallow coach building company a few years before it was changed to SS cars with the new logo in 1934

[Halmyre]

I think Lyons was looking to change the name irrespective of SS's unsavoury association. When he was getting engines from Standard Triumph, John Black of that organisation wanted it to stand for "Standard Swallow". Legend has it Sir William got someone to write down a list of animal names and Jaguar was the one that caught his eye.