Bits of films that make no sense
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Morningside said:
From what I understand the idea of the red light is to help people get accustom to low light in case they have to surface or something like that or am I expecting a whoosh parrot?
Red light has minimal or no affect on night vision, therefore making the transition to unlit areas of the ship should power fail easier.Accomodation on ships is usually spread across a few decks, split into Officers, Senior ratings and Juniors to alleviate the issue of getting to action stations quicker.
You'd be hard pressed to get near some of your chosen equipment though, the main gun for example will transit through 2 or 3 decks, have a ready use magazine nearby, ammunition handling system to the deep magazine and most importantly be classed as an explosive environment which probably carries some strict rules about how close you can sleep to a couple of hundred rounds of high explosive!
Antony Moxey said:
Jefferson Steelflex said:
I'm probably being stupid, but i can never understand the scene in Die Hard when John McClane meets Hans Gruber and Gruber pretends to be someone called Bill Clay (as he saw that name on the employee board).
How does McClane know he's not Bill Clay? Never understood it.
Not knowing for sure whether he's Bill Clay or not McLane gives him an unloaded gun just in case. This proves to be a wise decision when Clay starts speaking German into his walkie talkie confirming McLane's instinct to be cautious. That's my take anyway.How does McClane know he's not Bill Clay? Never understood it.
Alex@POD said:
Antony Moxey said:
Jefferson Steelflex said:
I'm probably being stupid, but i can never understand the scene in Die Hard when John McClane meets Hans Gruber and Gruber pretends to be someone called Bill Clay (as he saw that name on the employee board).
How does McClane know he's not Bill Clay? Never understood it.
Not knowing for sure whether he's Bill Clay or not McLane gives him an unloaded gun just in case. This proves to be a wise decision when Clay starts speaking German into his walkie talkie confirming McLane's instinct to be cautious. That's my take anyway.How does McClane know he's not Bill Clay? Never understood it.
Matt_N said:
Antony Moxey said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Pesty said:
An advert has just reminded me of one.
The matrix.
Hey tell him to follow the white rabbit. They can't see into the future how do they know he will even see it and they will even ask him to join them or where they are even going.
They were helping Trinity, their job was to get him to the club.The matrix.
Hey tell him to follow the white rabbit. They can't see into the future how do they know he will even see it and they will even ask him to join them or where they are even going.
So either, Trinity is reading the Matrix whilst chatting to Neo and notices that he is going to be asked to go out byt someone with a White Rabbit tattoo, or she is in the Matrix and the operator is telling her this, she then sends the message to Neo 'Follow the white rabbit, knock knock'.
Or, there is a theory that both Choi and DuJour (tattoo girl) are in fact Redpills, he the Captain of the hovership 'Freedom' and she his trusted Lieutenant. Not only that, but it's made clear that they were working with Trinity and Morpheus to assess and then rescue Neo.
So how did Trinity - or anyone else looking at the Matrix - know he would see the tattoo or know which club the gang were intending to visit or that they would ask him if he fancied joining them?
Antony Moxey said:
'notices that he is going to be asked' - err, that would be looking into the future. What would you notice that would indicate someone would be asked something? Besides, the follow the white rabbit message appears on his screen while he's asleep and before the gang even arrives at his door. He has a whole conversation with them before he notices the rabbit on her shoulder.
So how did Trinity - or anyone else looking at the Matrix - know he would see the tattoo or know which club the gang were intending to visit or that they would ask him if he fancied joining them?
Morpheus: "This is a sparring program, similar to the programmed reality of the Matrix. It has the same basic rules; rules like gravity. What you must learn is that these rules are no different than the rules of a computer system. Some of them can be bent. Others can be broken."So how did Trinity - or anyone else looking at the Matrix - know he would see the tattoo or know which club the gang were intending to visit or that they would ask him if he fancied joining them?
Maybe they broke the rules of causality by telling Neo to follow the White Rabbit.
Antony Moxey said:
Yes there is. After McLane asks him his name he looks up on the board (another not making sense moment - why is there a board with employee names up in a plant room, and in a building that size - even an unfinished building - wouldn't there be hundreds of names on it) and there's a W. Clay listed.
I noticed that at the time - I thought maybe it was some kind of directory for the phone extensions and that there would be one on every floor/every department. I can't remember now - I haven't seen it for a whileAntony Moxey said:
'notices that he is going to be asked' - err, that would be looking into the future. What would you notice that would indicate someone would be asked something? Besides, the follow the white rabbit message appears on his screen while he's asleep and before the gang even arrives at his door. He has a whole conversation with them before he notices the rabbit on her shoulder.
So how did Trinity - or anyone else looking at the Matrix - know he would see the tattoo or know which club the gang were intending to visit or that they would ask him if he fancied joining them?
I dont think you're remembering the film correctly.So how did Trinity - or anyone else looking at the Matrix - know he would see the tattoo or know which club the gang were intending to visit or that they would ask him if he fancied joining them?
He is asleep, then the 'wake up Neo' message appears.
He wakes up, then 'The Matrix has you' appears.
Then 'Follow the white rabbit', then in real time 'knock, knock Neo' as the door bangs.
The Operator or Trinity can see these actions in real time on their Matrix splash screen.
As I also said, Troy and DuJour are actually red pills too so are in on the act of getting Neo to the club to meet Trinity and the actions can be joined up.
Matt_N said:
Antony Moxey said:
'notices that he is going to be asked' - err, that would be looking into the future. What would you notice that would indicate someone would be asked something? Besides, the follow the white rabbit message appears on his screen while he's asleep and before the gang even arrives at his door. He has a whole conversation with them before he notices the rabbit on her shoulder.
So how did Trinity - or anyone else looking at the Matrix - know he would see the tattoo or know which club the gang were intending to visit or that they would ask him if he fancied joining them?
I dont think you're remembering the film correctly.So how did Trinity - or anyone else looking at the Matrix - know he would see the tattoo or know which club the gang were intending to visit or that they would ask him if he fancied joining them?
He is asleep, then the 'wake up Neo' message appears.
He wakes up, then 'The Matrix has you' appears.
Then 'Follow the white rabbit', then in real time 'knock, knock Neo' as the door bangs.
The Operator or Trinity can see these actions in real time on their Matrix splash screen.
As I also said, Troy and DuJour are actually red pills too so are in on the act of getting Neo to the club to meet Trinity and the actions can be joined up.
Antony Moxey said:
Fair enough, however as I've already said there's no guarantee he's going to see the white rabbit. Why not just tell him to go with them?
Because a) he might not as his curiosity wouldn't have been piqued and b) because we would now be having the conversation "why did he just go with them?" Antony Moxey said:
Fair enough, however as I've already said there's no guarantee he's going to see the white rabbit. Why not just tell him to go with them?
Is it not a reference or similarity of Alice following the white rabbit down the rabbit hole? And that links to later on when Morpheus asks him how far down the hole does he want to go? I think? 
funkyrobot said:
The Lord Of The Rings trilogy (yes, the book also).
If Gandalf can summon enormous eagles, why not get one of them to pop the ring into the volcano? Would have saved a lot of fuss.
Something to do with Sauron's all seeing eye being able to spot them and intervene. The only way the hobbits make it past is by essentially sneaking in through the backdoor while Sauron is distracted by Aragorn knocking on the front door with an army.If Gandalf can summon enormous eagles, why not get one of them to pop the ring into the volcano? Would have saved a lot of fuss.
why does the terminator, who's meant to blend in, look like Mr Universe instead of just a 'normal' big bloke?
and why can he perfectly copy any voice, but chooses to use an Austrian accent?
Cameron again, Avatar
why did they do the whole 'animating alien bodies' to explore the place? was that ever explained? Cos the space marine guys could wander around just with a mask on
Die Hard/Bill Clay/Hans Gruber
if Hans could do that perfect American accent, why does he talk with his German accent?
and why can he perfectly copy any voice, but chooses to use an Austrian accent?
Cameron again, Avatar
why did they do the whole 'animating alien bodies' to explore the place? was that ever explained? Cos the space marine guys could wander around just with a mask on
Die Hard/Bill Clay/Hans Gruber
if Hans could do that perfect American accent, why does he talk with his German accent?
Edited by Hugo a Gogo on Tuesday 7th March 11:57
Hugo a Gogo said:
why does the terminator, who's meant to blend in, look like Mr Universe instead of just a 'normal' big bloke?
and why can he perfectly copy any voice, but chooses to use an Austrian accent?
Original Michael Beihn was going to be cast as the Terminator in order to do exactly as you describe, blend in, look more natural but when Cameron saw Arnie he knew instantly that he wanted him to play the Terminator with his machine like appearance.and why can he perfectly copy any voice, but chooses to use an Austrian accent?
Hugo a Gogo said:
why does the terminator, who's meant to blend in, look like Mr Universe instead of just a 'normal' big bloke?
and why can he perfectly copy any voice, but chooses to use an Austrian accent?
Cameron again, Avatar
why did they do the whole 'animating alien bodies' to explore the place? was that ever explained? Cos the space marine guys could wander around just with a mask on
The T800 endoskeleton was designed to be big and bulky as it was a front line unit adapted to infiltration with the addition of human skin. However Skynet soon realised that a big 6 foot plus human stuck out a bit, human disguise or no so the T800's were retired from infiltration duties and replaced with a T1000 which looked like a normal sized human male (or whatever else it wanted to look like) and later they had a women and even a young teenage girl so not so much a plot point as just improvements on a design.and why can he perfectly copy any voice, but chooses to use an Austrian accent?
Cameron again, Avatar
why did they do the whole 'animating alien bodies' to explore the place? was that ever explained? Cos the space marine guys could wander around just with a mask on
Avatar, they made cloned bodies to try to blend in with the indigenous population and bring them onside via peaceful means but they got greedy, ran out of patience with the diplomatic approach and decided to blow them to smithereens instead.
Both points are quite clearly described in the films and make sense in context, perhaps you weren't paying much attention.
yeah, no doubt Arnie made it, but within the context of the film, it makes no sense
I still love it though
edit: A big fat bloke would look more likely than a super musclebound fella with pecs like dinner plates though, no?
Avatar: it still makes no sense to me, I don't see why they couldn't go to talk to the Navvies as humans
I still love it though
edit: A big fat bloke would look more likely than a super musclebound fella with pecs like dinner plates though, no?
Avatar: it still makes no sense to me, I don't see why they couldn't go to talk to the Navvies as humans
Edited by Hugo a Gogo on Tuesday 7th March 12:09
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