Bits of films that make no sense
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Arrival
I know the premise is that time isn't linear but the General Shang event meeting where he gives her his number and wife's death bed words that is supposed to have helped her call him to call off Attack mode could not have happened unless the call off Attack mode happened first.
I know the premise is that time isn't linear but the General Shang event meeting where he gives her his number and wife's death bed words that is supposed to have helped her call him to call off Attack mode could not have happened unless the call off Attack mode happened first.
Guvernator said:
funkyrobot said:
The Lord Of The Rings trilogy (yes, the book also).
If Gandalf can summon enormous eagles, why not get one of them to pop the ring into the volcano? Would have saved a lot of fuss.
Something to do with Sauron's all seeing eye being able to spot them and intervene. The only way the hobbits make it past is by essentially sneaking in through the backdoor while Sauron is distracted by Aragorn knocking on the front door with an army.If Gandalf can summon enormous eagles, why not get one of them to pop the ring into the volcano? Would have saved a lot of fuss.
Eagle equipped with industrial size can of hairspray. Eagle sprays it into the eye. Job jobbed.
Jefferson Steelflex said:
I'm probably being stupid, but i can never understand the scene in Die Hard when John McClane meets Hans Gruber and Gruber pretends to be someone called Bill Clay (as he saw that name on the employee board).
How does McClane know he's not Bill Clay? Never understood it.
Boom - good timing - article from Sunday explains it:How does McClane know he's not Bill Clay? Never understood it.
http://www.nme.com/news/film/die-hard-co-writer-ex...
hondafanatic said:
Antony Moxey said:
Fair enough, however as I've already said there's no guarantee he's going to see the white rabbit. Why not just tell him to go with them?
Is it not a reference or similarity of Alice following the white rabbit down the rabbit hole? And that links to later on when Morpheus asks him how far down the hole does he want to go? I think? Any film where someone or something transforms into a more powerful form, and their opponent just patiently stands there until the transformation is complete before starting the fight.
I mean, yes, it's a film (or TV show) and therefore it has to be this way, but it still makes no sense within the context of actual "reality".
I mean, yes, it's a film (or TV show) and therefore it has to be this way, but it still makes no sense within the context of actual "reality".
Antony Moxey said:
That's all well and good turning out stupid metaphors after you've met and are in a matrix training programme, but it's a pretty vague way of getting Neo into a nightclub. Also, if the gang were in on Morpheus' plot, why wasn't Trinity simply one of the gang and turned up with them at Neo's flat?
I never thought I would say this, but I think you are over-thinking this. There comes a point in every deconstruction of a film where you have to just concede that something has to be this way for the sake of making a good film and/or advancing the plot. Trinity wasn't with the gang at Neo's door because then there wouldn't have been the nightclub scene. Sometimes reality is boring. Pesty said:
Jefferson Steelflex said:
I'm probably being stupid, but i can never understand the scene in Die Hard when John McClane meets Hans Gruber and Gruber pretends to be someone called Bill Clay (as he saw that name on the employee board).
How does McClane know he's not Bill Clay? Never understood it.
He doesn't know it's not bill clay or he'd have just shot him. So he tests him to know for sure by giving him an empty pistol.How does McClane know he's not Bill Clay? Never understood it.
Hans bubby then points gun therefore Bruce knows he's one of them.
Edited by Pesty on Thursday 23 February 07:43
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Basically it all got cut out in the edit room though; but it was all to do with the fact they have the same watch.
Apparently though, this bit of film was cut to save a bigger plot hole!
funkyrobot said:
The Lord Of The Rings trilogy (yes, the book also).
If Gandalf can summon enormous eagles, why not get one of them to pop the ring into the volcano? Would have saved a lot of fuss.
It's a real world, eagles are their own thing, they are not necessarily on the side of men/good/evil/whomever, and even if they were just lackeys that Gandalf can summon (and he can't), they would have been ripped from the sky in minutes as Sauron had air superiority from the start.If Gandalf can summon enormous eagles, why not get one of them to pop the ring into the volcano? Would have saved a lot of fuss.
The eagles could only get close to Mordor, let alone DOom thanks to Aragorn revealing himself as the descendent of Isildur at the right time, and Sauron spanking himself silly thinking he must be wearing the ring and gone totally Tonto. SO he unfurls all his forces and concentrates on Aragorn alone.
Edited by Halb on Tuesday 7th March 22:31
Halb said:
funkyrobot said:
The Lord Of The Rings trilogy (yes, the book also).
If Gandalf can summon enormous eagles, why not get one of them to pop the ring into the volcano? Would have saved a lot of fuss.
It's a real world, eagles are their own thing, they are not necessarily on the side of men/good/evil/whomever, and even if they were just lackeys that Gandalf can summon (and he can't), they would have been ripped from the sky in minutes as Sauron had air superiority from the start.If Gandalf can summon enormous eagles, why not get one of them to pop the ring into the volcano? Would have saved a lot of fuss.
The eagles could only get close to Mordor, let alone DOom thanks to Aragorn revealing himself as the descendent of Isildur at the right time, and Sauron spanking himself silly thinking he must be wearing the ring and gone totally Tonto. SO he unfurls all his forces and concentrates on Aragorn alone.
Edited by Halb on Tuesday 7th March 22:31
However, I'm pretty sure Gandalf spoke to a moth and he was then rescued from the tower by an eagle. It's as if he could summon them.
funkyrobot said:
Halb said:
funkyrobot said:
The Lord Of The Rings trilogy (yes, the book also).
If Gandalf can summon enormous eagles, why not get one of them to pop the ring into the volcano? Would have saved a lot of fuss.
It's a real world, eagles are their own thing, they are not necessarily on the side of men/good/evil/whomever, and even if they were just lackeys that Gandalf can summon (and he can't), they would have been ripped from the sky in minutes as Sauron had air superiority from the start.If Gandalf can summon enormous eagles, why not get one of them to pop the ring into the volcano? Would have saved a lot of fuss.
The eagles could only get close to Mordor, let alone DOom thanks to Aragorn revealing himself as the descendent of Isildur at the right time, and Sauron spanking himself silly thinking he must be wearing the ring and gone totally Tonto. SO he unfurls all his forces and concentrates on Aragorn alone.
Edited by Halb on Tuesday 7th March 22:31
However, I'm pretty sure Gandalf spoke to a moth and he was then rescued from the tower by an eagle. It's as if he could summon them.
Yeah, in the books the leader of the eagles, Gwahalir becomes personal friends with Gandalf after the events of the Hobbit, and a sort of informal truce/alliance is formed.
Had high expectations for the films, but it took me a few minutes to realise they were a pile of dogs
t, so much stuff was changed so the story didn't even make sense anymore, it was Lord of the Rings for the MTV generation, people with an attention span of less than 10 seconds. 
The 70's Bakshi version is actually pretty good.
Had high expectations for the films, but it took me a few minutes to realise they were a pile of dogs
t, so much stuff was changed so the story didn't even make sense anymore, it was Lord of the Rings for the MTV generation, people with an attention span of less than 10 seconds. The 70's Bakshi version is actually pretty good.
Collateral.
Vincent (Cruise) has to make a number of hits in one night and get out of town. He has been at it for years, nobody knows who he is or what he looks like and he goes about his business incognito at night, one guy alone in his apartment, another on his doorstep, lawyer woman working late in empty building etc.
So it makes no sense at all to go into a nightclub in front of hundreds of people and start blasting away.
Vincent (Cruise) has to make a number of hits in one night and get out of town. He has been at it for years, nobody knows who he is or what he looks like and he goes about his business incognito at night, one guy alone in his apartment, another on his doorstep, lawyer woman working late in empty building etc.
So it makes no sense at all to go into a nightclub in front of hundreds of people and start blasting away.
Mr Snrub said:
Considering the standard versions came in at about the 10 hour mark I don't think they were made for people with short attention spans!
I remember going to see the first film at the cinema with my (now) ex, and at the end of it they said "wait, is that it? I sat here for 3 bloody hours and nothing really happened and there wasn't an ending?" languagetimothy said:
In films on board a naval ship or submarine. All nice and calm, white light, not much noise then "action stations " the lights turn to flashing red, a klaxon continually blasts out, and people running in all directions.
Well that helps, keep the white light to easier see where yr going. Lose the klaxon so you can hear further instructions and updates and think better. Oh and perhaps if for example your position is on the main gun on the bow deck, maybe suggest that yr quarters should be nearby not halfway along the ship a few stories down. Stops people,running everywhere and they get to their station quicker.
Action stations are all over the ship, and your action station may not be your normal place of work. Messes are aranged by rank not workplace and many people will rotate through different jobs onboard.Well that helps, keep the white light to easier see where yr going. Lose the klaxon so you can hear further instructions and updates and think better. Oh and perhaps if for example your position is on the main gun on the bow deck, maybe suggest that yr quarters should be nearby not halfway along the ship a few stories down. Stops people,running everywhere and they get to their station quicker.
50% of the crew will be asleep, so you need a klaxon.
Red light does not affect your night vision as much as white light.
98elise said:
Action stations are all over the ship, and your action station may not be your normal place of work. Messes are aranged by rank not workplace and many people will rotate through different jobs onboard.
50% of the crew will be asleep, so you need a klaxon.
Red light does not affect your night vision as much as white light.
Let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant!50% of the crew will be asleep, so you need a klaxon.
Red light does not affect your night vision as much as white light.
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