Alien Covenant Prologue: The Last Supper

[judas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkXgRlRao5I

Looks good. Interesting how it directly parallels the breakfast scene in Alien. After the disappointment that was Prometheus, I hope Ridley Scott has got a decent script this time around.

[Blaster72]

This film has a great cast, I've got high hopes for it being a cracker.

[Brigand]

Blaster72 said:

This film has a great cast, I've got high hopes for it being a cracker.

Many of us did with Prometheus too and that turned out bad! I agree, this film looks good, but I shall reserve expectations until I see it. I want it to be good though.

[vxr8mate]

It does look good.

Not sure why everyone hates on Prometheus, it's not like its as bad as say Star Wars The Force Awakens, which was rubbish.

[Blaster72]

I loved Prometheus with all its faults and have watched it quite a few times now. I understand why some didn't like it though and it was definitely a film that excels in the cinema on the big screen with big sound but not so much on the small screen.

Fingers crossed for this one.

[bingybongy]

Prometheus, quite probably the most disappointed I have ever felt on exiting a cinema.
I've since watched it a couple more times looking for some redeeming features.
There were none it was dogst.

The opening 5 mins were good though.

[mickthemechanic]

Hi

Is this a remake of the original or a new story?

[judas]

mickthemechanic said:

Hi

Is this a remake of the original or a new story?

It's the sort-of sequel to Prometheus, which makes it the sort-of prequel to Alien.

HTH

[s m]

Blaster72 said:

I loved Prometheus with all its faults and have watched it quite a few times now. I understand why some didn't like it though and it was definitely a film that excels in the cinema on the big screen with big sound but not so much on the small screen.

I did too - watch it when it appears on Film 4 although originally saw it on big screen

I'm not enough of an Alien fan to be worried about what lineage it might have spoiled

[mickthemechanic]

judas said:

It's the sort-of sequel to Prometheus, which makes it the sort-of prequel to Alien.

HTH

Sounds good.

The first two Alien movies are classics hope this lives up to them.

[lastofthev8s]

Having watched the clip above this one was linked - looks good https://youtu.be/TnYVZVxcUFk

Found Prometheus a little disappointing, but at least it further developed ideas of how things broadly started to evolve into the Alien/Aliens

[griffin dai]

bingybongy said:

Prometheus, quite probably the most disappointed I have ever felt on exiting a cinema.
I've since watched it a couple more times looking for some redeeming features.
There were none it was dogst.

The opening 5 mins were good though.

Same here, turned to the missis at the end and said "dogst" and heard similar mutterings from others walking out. She thought it was ok but then again she hasn't seen Alien or Aliens

Got high hopes for this one though! If he fks this one he may aswel sack making a third.

[Brigand]

I've a feeling its just going to be Prometheus but with an actual "Alien" in it. Will probably still have underdeveloped characters doing stupid things for no good reason. Maybe I'll like this one though; I went into Prometheus with high hopes and left feeling disappointed, this time I'm going in expecting dross so I'll probably be pleasantly surprised.

[Moonhawk]

Brigand said:

I've a feeling its just going to be Prometheus but with an actual "Alien" in it. Will probably still have underdeveloped characters doing stupid things for no good reason.

I don't understand why film makers keep getting it so wrong - especially ones that we know can do a good job.

Perhaps it's the insistence of shoehorning in the spectacle set pieces, needing to have contrived and unnecessary plot twists/shocking reveals or just having to have something 'original' even if it really doesn't fit.

Jon Spaihts script for Prometheus was so much better than the one that made it to the big screen - it fit far better with existing canon, however it was rejected because Ridley Scott didn't think it was 'original' enough.

http://www.joblo.com/scripts/Alien-Engineers-ORIGI...

Edited by Moonhawk on Saturday 25th February 07:43

[Jonesy23]

Alien: Engineers was much better than what appeared on screen.

He wrote Passengers too and that was also slightly ruined compared to the script.

I just hope someone has learnt their lesson this time though the other Alien project (delayed because Ridley doesn't like competition) looks like it is more likely to be better. People want more Aliens and less stupid arty bks.

[s m]

Moonhawk said:

I don't understand why film makers keep getting it so wrong - especially ones that we know can do a good job.

Perhaps it's the insistence of shoehorning in the spectacle set pieces, needing to have contrived and unnecessary plot twists/shocking reveals or just having to have something 'original' even if it really doesn't fit.

Jon Spaihts script for Prometheus was so much better than the one that made it to the big screen - it fit far better with existing canon, however it was rejected because Ridley Scott didn't think it was 'original' enough.

http://www.joblo.com/scripts/Alien-Engineers-ORIGI...

Edited by Moonhawk on Saturday 25th February 07:43

Budget £130 million

Box Office £400 million

Did he get it so wrong?

[Moonhawk]

s m said:

Budget £130 million

Box Office £400 million

Did he get it so wrong?

I wasn't talking about how 'successful' the film was in terms of it's gross box office takings vs it's production budget. I was commenting on under-developed characterisation.....(big tip - you might want to read posts in the context of the post they are quoting).

Did it really do that well though?

You conveniently forgot to include the marketing budget which is estimated to have cost around $150 million on top of the production budget - and don't forget, the studio only gets around 50% of the gross ticket sales (the rest goes to the cinemas etc) - so your $400 million box office taking translates to roughly $200 million in the studio's pocket - far less than the $280 million it cost to make and market the film.

Prometheus only grossed around 15% more than Alien3 did when adjusted for ticket price inflation - and made around 3x it's production budget in ticket sales - almost exactly the same as Alien 3 (Alien by way of comparison took almost 10 times it's production budget - and Aliens took 7 times it's production budget)

Also - how much of what Prometheus took was simply borne out of the fact that it was Ridley Scott returning to do a much anticipated 'Alien' film. It was very much trading on the success of Alien (and Aliens to a degree)

[s m]

Moonhawk said:

s m said:

Budget £130 million

Box Office £400 million

Did he get it so wrong?

I wasn't talking about how 'successful' the film was in terms of it's gross box office takings vs it's production budget. I was commenting on under-developed characterisation.....(big tip - you might want to read posts in the context of the post they are quoting).

Did it really do that well though?

You conveniently forgot to include the marketing budget which is estimated to have cost around $150 million on top of the production budget - and don't forget, the studio only gets around 50% of the gross ticket sales (the rest goes to the cinemas etc) - so your $400 million box office taking translates to roughly $200 million in the studio's pocket - far less than the $280 million it cost to make and market the film.

Prometheus only grossed around 15% more than Alien3 did when adjusted for ticket price inflation - and made around 3x it's production budget in ticket sales - almost exactly the same as Alien 3 (Alien by way of comparison took almost 10 times it's production budget - and Aliens took 7 times it's production budget)

Also - how much of what Prometheus took was simply borne out of the fact that it was Ridley Scott returning to do a much anticipated 'Alien' film. It was very much trading on the success of Alien (and Aliens to a degree)

I take on board your tip.....but obviously they feel it wasn't enough of a flop to preclude them having another go

[Mr Snrub]

s m said:

Moonhawk said:

s m said:

Budget £130 million

Box Office £400 million

Did he get it so wrong?

I wasn't talking about how 'successful' the film was in terms of it's gross box office takings vs it's production budget. I was commenting on under-developed characterisation.....(big tip - you might want to read posts in the context of the post they are quoting).

Did it really do that well though?

You conveniently forgot to include the marketing budget which is estimated to have cost around $150 million on top of the production budget - and don't forget, the studio only gets around 50% of the gross ticket sales (the rest goes to the cinemas etc) - so your $400 million box office taking translates to roughly $200 million in the studio's pocket - far less than the $280 million it cost to make and market the film.

Prometheus only grossed around 15% more than Alien3 did when adjusted for ticket price inflation - and made around 3x it's production budget in ticket sales - almost exactly the same as Alien 3 (Alien by way of comparison took almost 10 times it's production budget - and Aliens took 7 times it's production budget)

Also - how much of what Prometheus took was simply borne out of the fact that it was Ridley Scott returning to do a much anticipated 'Alien' film. It was very much trading on the success of Alien (and Aliens to a degree)

I take on board your tip.....but obviously they feel it wasn't enough of a flop to preclude them having another go

If something making back 3 times its budget is a flop than Hollywood is screwed. Being the 234th highest grossing film of all time sounds like a pretty decent success to me

[Moonhawk]

s m said:

I take on board your tip.....but obviously they feel it wasn't enough of a flop to preclude them having another go

I didnt claim it was a flop either.

The Alien franchise still has plenty of steam - lets just hope they do a better job with the characters and script this time round.