Mutiny channel 4

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mcelliott

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8,626 posts

180 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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Starts at 9pm. This looks pretty good, the luxuriously bearded Ant Middleton takes a group of people 4,000 miles across the Pacific in a wooden boat. What could go wrong. biggrin

chilistrucker

4,541 posts

150 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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I'm in.

jammy-git

29,776 posts

211 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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Been looking forward to this for a while.

mcelliott

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8,626 posts

180 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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Wow that Chris guy......what a wker.

Fleegle

16,688 posts

175 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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mcelliott said:
Wow that Chris guy......what a wker.
Yep. Of the highest order

nicanary

9,751 posts

145 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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It seems to be a sailing version of Bear Grylls' Island show. I'm expecting the boar they catch to have been a "set up". There was definitely a stone-built quay at that island where they lay off-shore. So why not tie up there?

I think I'd rather see a genuine documentary about Bligh's voyage. This is all a bit "The Ant Show" - look at me everyone, and how hard I am.

ReaperCushions

5,951 posts

183 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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nicanary said:
It seems to be a sailing version of Bear Grylls' Island show. I'm expecting the boar they catch to have been a "set up". There was definitely a stone-built quay at that island where they lay off-shore. So why not tie up there?

I think I'd rather see a genuine documentary about Bligh's voyage. This is all a bit "The Ant Show" - look at me everyone, and how hard I am.
Just like his SAS show then.

e600

1,315 posts

151 months

Monday 6th March 2017
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i think the Chris guy is a plant for a bit of drama, no one can be that much of a dick without really trying.

jammy-git

29,776 posts

211 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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nicanary said:
It seems to be a sailing version of Bear Grylls' Island show. I'm expecting the boar they catch to have been a "set up". There was definitely a stone-built quay at that island where they lay off-shore. So why not tie up there?

I think I'd rather see a genuine documentary about Bligh's voyage. This is all a bit "The Ant Show" - look at me everyone, and how hard I am.
I'm guessing they didn't use the quay because it wouldn't have been around in Bligh's day?

footnote

924 posts

105 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Anyone else think the cameraman with the wrinkled sponge fingers looked familiar from an earlier series of Bear Grylls or some other survival show?

For the viewer, it could very quickly (already perhaps?)feel like a very long time in a boat listening to people saying 'Mate' 'Mate' and 'Facking'

And that Ant being disappointed that he's not either alone or with people he actually likes.

Might feel like 6 weeks in the back of your dad's car - 'Are we there yet?'


nicanary

9,751 posts

145 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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jammy-git said:
nicanary said:
It seems to be a sailing version of Bear Grylls' Island show. I'm expecting the boar they catch to have been a "set up". There was definitely a stone-built quay at that island where they lay off-shore. So why not tie up there?

I think I'd rather see a genuine documentary about Bligh's voyage. This is all a bit "The Ant Show" - look at me everyone, and how hard I am.
I'm guessing they didn't use the quay because it wouldn't have been around in Bligh's day?
Doh!

Smollet

10,465 posts

189 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Yet to see it but I'm guessing it's nothing like the recent docudrama about Shackleton's journey to help go for help to rescue his men when it all went tits up.

XCP

16,876 posts

227 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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jammy-git said:
I'm guessing they didn't use the quay because it wouldn't have been around in Bligh's day?
Hasn't stopped them using plenty of other stuff that Bligh and his men didn't have!!

audidoody

8,595 posts

255 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Like a mother ship floating nearby to do the drone footage

Edited by audidoody on Tuesday 7th March 22:08

nicanary

9,751 posts

145 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Why oh why did they select Glenister for the voiceover? It's like listening to your geography teacher - droning on monotonously about wool production in Argentina.

Bligh had a compass and sextant (no chronometer by all accounts) but I haven't seen this lot do anything so far to plot a course. Is the support boat using GPS d'ye think? Cheats.

PS Pity about Ben, but he's a chippy by trade and his hands are his livelihood. I didn't rate Ant's management skills much - when he had his chat with Chris he immediately passed the buck to the rest of the crew, beginning the talk with "the rest of them don't want you". Ducking his responsibilities as team leader. Wouldn't want to fight the Taliban alongside him.

Edited by nicanary on Tuesday 7th March 22:03

Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Fleegle said:
mcelliott said:
Wow that Chris guy......what a wker.
Yep. Of the highest order
Complete and utter....

Mykap

633 posts

187 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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I'm enjoying it but I am very disappointed no reference is made to how he navigated.

Bligh had a compass sextant and tables but no chronometer, the mutineers were wise enough to keep the K2 chronometer and also kept Bligh's charts on the Bounty (a Masters most valuable possession).

Nothing can diminish the feat of navigation he made. The sextant would have been used to track his latitude each noon by meridian altitude, in the absence of an accurate time piece this can be done by taking successive sights and recording the point of maximum altitude, if you had tables of declination you could calculate a pretty accurate latitude. Longitude would be the problem, however he knew if he headed west he would make landfalls. Approaching an uncharted coast must have been a very stressful experience. To his credit Bligh charted the Islands he encountered.

Quite a man and the real achievement was keeping discipline among the crew in the most atrocious of circumstances and leading them to safety.

Pretty sure he would have dealt with the Chris character in very short order.

Gargamel

14,957 posts

260 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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nicanary said:
I didn't rate Ant's management skills much - when he had his chat with Chris he immediately passed the buck to the rest of the crew, beginning the talk with "the rest of them don't want you". Ducking his responsibilities as team leader. Wouldn't want to fight the Taliban alongside him.

Edited by nicanary on Tuesday 7th March 22:03
Pretty much my thoughts, wasn't prepared to own it as a decision by him and still didn't actually sort it out. Neither did he deal well with the problems as they came up either, just let the crew pick up the slack and they had to come to him with the problem

Uncomfortable all round.

lemmingjames

7,433 posts

203 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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At the same time, if the Scouser had a grudge against Ant then no matter what Ant said, he wouldnt listen whereas if he says the crew, Scouser might be more inclined to change as hes more friendly with them (has trouble with authority, Ant = authority).

Its all about people management and recognizing the traits and how to get people to react the right way

jammy-git

29,776 posts

211 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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I agree, if he thinks it's the whole crew then hopefully it makes him realise that the problem is with himself and not just one person who doesn't get on with him.

And I think this voyage has been more about the survival aspect of the journey across the Pacific, rather than staying absolutely true to Bligh's trip and tools of the time.