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I'm not quite sure what he hoped to get out of the trip. At one point Ant asked him to do some navugating, pointing out that he was an experienced sailor and could show the others what he could do. You'd think he would have jumped at the chance to "show off " and redeem himself. Not interested. What a twunt.
Good riddance. I hope his friends and family are embarrassed.
Good riddance. I hope his friends and family are embarrassed.
nicanary said:
I'm not quite sure what he hoped to get out of the trip. At one point Ant asked him to do some navugating, pointing out that he was an experienced sailor and could show the others what he could do. You'd think he would have jumped at the chance to "show off " and redeem himself. Not interested. What a twunt.
Good riddance. I hope his friends and family are embarrassed.
I suspect he was paid to be a twump he would not have been selected with his poor attitude. He was never going to be a team player was he.Good riddance. I hope his friends and family are embarrassed.
Fair f
ks to sail single handed around the UK is not easy.. So he clearly could do it.
However when a there is a Vendee Globe finisher in the boat and the skipper is an ex SAS boy, maybe it's time to STFU and do what you are asked.
Moaning that he was treated like a child and then not getting up for his watches is a total pics take, I don't understand why he didn't get a bucket of salt water over his head.
Doctor lad is my idea of a travelling companion, super chilled. (Though being worried about taking a dip was a bit Wierd)
ks to sail single handed around the UK is not easy.. So he clearly could do it. However when a there is a Vendee Globe finisher in the boat and the skipper is an ex SAS boy, maybe it's time to STFU and do what you are asked.
Moaning that he was treated like a child and then not getting up for his watches is a total pics take, I don't understand why he didn't get a bucket of salt water over his head.
Doctor lad is my idea of a travelling companion, super chilled. (Though being worried about taking a dip was a bit Wierd)
nicanary said:
I'm not quite sure what he hoped to get out of the trip. At one point Ant asked him to do some navugating, pointing out that he was an experienced sailor and could show the others what he could do. You'd think he would have jumped at the chance to "show off " and redeem himself. Not interested. What a twunt.
Good riddance. I hope his friends and family are embarrassed.
I posted this at a time when I was annoyed with him. I've had time to reflect.Good riddance. I hope his friends and family are embarrassed.
They are very hungry. (I'm a real PIA when I'm hungry). They are dehydrated. They all have irritating minor injuries of varying degrees. It's quite possible that some of them are constantly seasick. The combination of these matters will affect the mental state of some people.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he wasn't suffering from mild depression. Hence the lack of interest/laziness/ feeling of inadequacy. Just a thought.
Or, as you say, he was selected deliberately to be the crew's PIA member.
I think the Chris character was put in deliberately. He compared himself to Fletcher Christian once removed which I think was the object of the exercise, however in Bligh’s day he wouldn’t have been tolerated and may well have ended up over the wall. As for sailing single handed around the UK that gets some respect (putting professional concerns about single handed sailing to one side).
As for showing off navigational skills – don’t make me laugh. Even among professional ships’ crew celestial navigation is a dying art, I’m sure Chris would have done the theory (if he has a yachtmaster’s he certainly will have) but putting it into use requires constant practice and the instrument needs to be handled with respect, I dread to think what kind of showing off would have occurred. I have strong views on this as I am probably from the last generation of commercial seafarer who actually used a sextant for real as the primary navigational aid on ocean crossings. GPS was the beginning of the end of true navigation skills and ECDIS (electronic charts) is the final nail in the coffin. We are now getting more groundings due to the incorrect or incompetence in the use of ECDIS than any other cause (rant over). As for being aware that they broke Bligh’s daily distance run record – well excuse me but just how did they know the distance they travelled? Bligh would have used his considerable experience to estimate distance run so the figure was an estimate, but these guys knew to the decimals of miles…how? With no chronometer you cant find longitude and I didn’t see any kind of log being streamed.
On other issues – both Captain and Sailing Master in water at same time… jeez, not a great plan. As for the Doc not swimming, I can fully understand. In all my years at sea drowning never worried me – but being eaten or rather half eaten first did!
Good series, enjoying it.
As for showing off navigational skills – don’t make me laugh. Even among professional ships’ crew celestial navigation is a dying art, I’m sure Chris would have done the theory (if he has a yachtmaster’s he certainly will have) but putting it into use requires constant practice and the instrument needs to be handled with respect, I dread to think what kind of showing off would have occurred. I have strong views on this as I am probably from the last generation of commercial seafarer who actually used a sextant for real as the primary navigational aid on ocean crossings. GPS was the beginning of the end of true navigation skills and ECDIS (electronic charts) is the final nail in the coffin. We are now getting more groundings due to the incorrect or incompetence in the use of ECDIS than any other cause (rant over). As for being aware that they broke Bligh’s daily distance run record – well excuse me but just how did they know the distance they travelled? Bligh would have used his considerable experience to estimate distance run so the figure was an estimate, but these guys knew to the decimals of miles…how? With no chronometer you cant find longitude and I didn’t see any kind of log being streamed.
On other issues – both Captain and Sailing Master in water at same time… jeez, not a great plan. As for the Doc not swimming, I can fully understand. In all my years at sea drowning never worried me – but being eaten or rather half eaten first did!
Good series, enjoying it.
Mykap said:
I think the Chris character was put in deliberately. He compared himself to Fletcher Christian once removed which I think was the object of the exercise, however in Bligh’s day he wouldn’t have been tolerated and may well have ended up over the wall. As for sailing single handed around the UK that gets some respect (putting professional concerns about single handed sailing to one side).
As for showing off navigational skills – don’t make me laugh. Even among professional ships’ crew celestial navigation is a dying art, I’m sure Chris would have done the theory (if he has a yachtmaster’s he certainly will have) but putting it into use requires constant practice and the instrument needs to be handled with respect, I dread to think what kind of showing off would have occurred. I have strong views on this as I am probably from the last generation of commercial seafarer who actually used a sextant for real as the primary navigational aid on ocean crossings. GPS was the beginning of the end of true navigation skills and ECDIS (electronic charts) is the final nail in the coffin. We are now getting more groundings due to the incorrect or incompetence in the use of ECDIS than any other cause (rant over). As for being aware that they broke Bligh’s daily distance run record – well excuse me but just how did they know the distance they travelled? Bligh would have used his considerable experience to estimate distance run so the figure was an estimate, but these guys knew to the decimals of miles…how? With no chronometer you cant find longitude and I didn’t see any kind of log being streamed.
On other issues – both Captain and Sailing Master in water at same time… jeez, not a great plan. As for the Doc not swimming, I can fully understand. In all my years at sea drowning never worried me – but being eaten or rather half eaten first did!
Good series, enjoying it.
That's a good post. Agree that Chris was deliberately put in, the 'casting' department must have seen something in him, and either way, make him or break him, they would have ended up with a good story. Let's face it, they will have interviewed many people for this, and I'm sure out of that lot there woukd have been 9 individuals who could have cracked this without question. Where would the drama be though. As for showing off navigational skills – don’t make me laugh. Even among professional ships’ crew celestial navigation is a dying art, I’m sure Chris would have done the theory (if he has a yachtmaster’s he certainly will have) but putting it into use requires constant practice and the instrument needs to be handled with respect, I dread to think what kind of showing off would have occurred. I have strong views on this as I am probably from the last generation of commercial seafarer who actually used a sextant for real as the primary navigational aid on ocean crossings. GPS was the beginning of the end of true navigation skills and ECDIS (electronic charts) is the final nail in the coffin. We are now getting more groundings due to the incorrect or incompetence in the use of ECDIS than any other cause (rant over). As for being aware that they broke Bligh’s daily distance run record – well excuse me but just how did they know the distance they travelled? Bligh would have used his considerable experience to estimate distance run so the figure was an estimate, but these guys knew to the decimals of miles…how? With no chronometer you cant find longitude and I didn’t see any kind of log being streamed.
On other issues – both Captain and Sailing Master in water at same time… jeez, not a great plan. As for the Doc not swimming, I can fully understand. In all my years at sea drowning never worried me – but being eaten or rather half eaten first did!
Good series, enjoying it.
Agree, on comment about Ant and Conrad both in the water together and larking about gave me a
moment.On the issue of electronic positioning and plotting, how many religiously transfer their route and position onto paper charts? Electrical gremlins and you're stuffed without the basics.
On the issue of do they have a log etc, there's one shot very near the end, looking aft towards the steering position, there is some bit of electronics with a display mounted on the transom port side, quite a bit of associated wiring. Picture wasn't good enough for me to make out what it was, any ideas?
FiF said:
On the issue of do they have a log etc, there's one shot very near the end, looking aft towards the steering position, there is some bit of electronics with a display mounted on the transom port side, quite a bit of associated wiring. Picture wasn't good enough for me to make out what it was, any ideas?
Yep I froze the screen and looked at that for a long while. I reckon its a power controller of some sort for the mast light or camera charger. either that or they are cheating big time...Regarding the earlier comment on transferring positions to charts, in the commercial world the timetable for implementation of ECDIS as the primary method for navigation is ticking with all subject vessel compliance by July 2018. On a vessel with ECDIS as primary and secondary means there will be no paper chart to transfer the positions to. On a ship with paper charts as secondary means it’s unlikely they would as a matter of routine transfer position, under both methods well run ships will have a log of GPS positions anyway so with paper as a secondary means it would be a simple matter to put a cross on the chart if the primary ECDIS failed. With a dual system (ECDIS primary and secondary) the system redundancy should be enough…………. The ship is only supplied with ‘get you home‘ small scale paper charts.
In the waffi world they’ve been happy to sail along fast asleep (single handed long distance ‘sail over steam’ boils my piss) so I can’t see a situation where diligent transferring of position is going to happen, other than on the best run yachts.
Having Chris selected could have been genuine as he had the back story.
But then you always wonder if he had been planted/told to be a dick. If he wasn't genuine then they hopefully paid him a lot because of how badly he has come across which makes me think it was genuine behaviour.
Those conditions affect people badly but the others had got on and his poor behaviour started much earlier in the trip remember.
What was frustrating is that he was annoyed he wasn't given any responsibility and show what he can do but when given something to do he wouldn't do it. Because he could not listen to any authority/work as a team. Probably why he ended up in prison due to previous poor choices.
But then you always wonder if he had been planted/told to be a dick. If he wasn't genuine then they hopefully paid him a lot because of how badly he has come across which makes me think it was genuine behaviour.
Those conditions affect people badly but the others had got on and his poor behaviour started much earlier in the trip remember.
What was frustrating is that he was annoyed he wasn't given any responsibility and show what he can do but when given something to do he wouldn't do it. Because he could not listen to any authority/work as a team. Probably why he ended up in prison due to previous poor choices.
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