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Melman Giraffe said:
nicanary said:
Ant up to his old tricks, twisting things to suit himself. If anyone thinks Conrad is right AND YOU WANT HIM AS NEW CAPTAIN, put your hands up. Conrad was proposing no such thing. The skipper is a conniving little st.
No he is a strong leader and that's what leaders do. Melman Giraffe said:
nicanary said:
Ant up to his old tricks, twisting things to suit himself. If anyone thinks Conrad is right AND YOU WANT HIM AS NEW CAPTAIN, put your hands up. Conrad was proposing no such thing. The skipper is a conniving little st.
No he is a strong leader and that's what leaders do. Still don't like the guy.
If the wind had not come they would have (in real life) died. They didn't give the rowing idea enough thought and it seemed to me that because Ant wasn't involved he didn't like it. So we will never know.
The Doctor and the others looked visibly thinner to the point of being seriously ill and it at least proves they did the time on the boat.
The Doctor and the others looked visibly thinner to the point of being seriously ill and it at least proves they did the time on the boat.
johnxjsc1985 said:
If the wind had not come they would have (in real life) died. They didn't give the rowing idea enough thought and it seemed to me that because Ant wasn't involved he didn't like it. So we will never know.
The Doctor and the others looked visibly thinner to the point of being seriously ill and it at least proves they did the time on the boat.
Shame about the water situation though. Could they have planned it better??The Doctor and the others looked visibly thinner to the point of being seriously ill and it at least proves they did the time on the boat.
johnxjsc1985 said:
If the wind had not come they would have (in real life) died. They didn't give the rowing idea enough thought and it seemed to me that because Ant wasn't involved he didn't like it. So we will never know.
The Doctor and the others looked visibly thinner to the point of being seriously ill and it at least proves they did the time on the boat.
Politics aside, wouldn't rowing 5 hours a day to achieve at max a fairly paltry 50 miles have dehydrated them even more, thus hastened 'the end'?The Doctor and the others looked visibly thinner to the point of being seriously ill and it at least proves they did the time on the boat.
warp9 said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
If the wind had not come they would have (in real life) died. They didn't give the rowing idea enough thought and it seemed to me that because Ant wasn't involved he didn't like it. So we will never know.
The Doctor and the others looked visibly thinner to the point of being seriously ill and it at least proves they did the time on the boat.
Politics aside, wouldn't rowing 5 hours a day to achieve at max a fairly paltry 50 miles have dehydrated them even more, thus hastened 'the end'?The Doctor and the others looked visibly thinner to the point of being seriously ill and it at least proves they did the time on the boat.
jammy-git said:
warp9 said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
If the wind had not come they would have (in real life) died. They didn't give the rowing idea enough thought and it seemed to me that because Ant wasn't involved he didn't like it. So we will never know.
The Doctor and the others looked visibly thinner to the point of being seriously ill and it at least proves they did the time on the boat.
Politics aside, wouldn't rowing 5 hours a day to achieve at max a fairly paltry 50 miles have dehydrated them even more, thus hastened 'the end'?The Doctor and the others looked visibly thinner to the point of being seriously ill and it at least proves they did the time on the boat.
K12beano said:
jammy-git said:
warp9 said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
If the wind had not come they would have (in real life) died. They didn't give the rowing idea enough thought and it seemed to me that because Ant wasn't involved he didn't like it. So we will never know.
The Doctor and the others looked visibly thinner to the point of being seriously ill and it at least proves they did the time on the boat.
Politics aside, wouldn't rowing 5 hours a day to achieve at max a fairly paltry 50 miles have dehydrated them even more, thus hastened 'the end'?The Doctor and the others looked visibly thinner to the point of being seriously ill and it at least proves they did the time on the boat.
jammy-git said:
Melman Giraffe said:
nicanary said:
Ant up to his old tricks, twisting things to suit himself. If anyone thinks Conrad is right AND YOU WANT HIM AS NEW CAPTAIN, put your hands up. Conrad was proposing no such thing. The skipper is a conniving little st.
No he is a strong leader and that's what leaders do. FiF said:
jammy-git said:
Melman Giraffe said:
nicanary said:
Ant up to his old tricks, twisting things to suit himself. If anyone thinks Conrad is right AND YOU WANT HIM AS NEW CAPTAIN, put your hands up. Conrad was proposing no such thing. The skipper is a conniving little st.
No he is a strong leader and that's what leaders do. (My first reaction when they were in the doldrums was "row", but in hindsight of course it would have been a stupid idea. Would have put them in serious medical jeopardy. However, it might have given them purpose, something to keep them occupied.)
Watched the programme last night - all of it!
That scouser should have been keelhauled or at least thrown off with a rope tied around his leg when he was asleeping and should be awake.
Sitting it out vs Rowing well....I could see Ants point but as you were screwed anyway (exhaustion vs running out of water), rowing could have been morale boosting.
Ants management style vs Conrad - Ant is military and what the captain says goes and not open to suggestion unlike some other professions that offer a CRM (crew resource management) course.
All in all the programme was very good.
That scouser should have been keelhauled or at least thrown off with a rope tied around his leg when he was asleeping and should be awake.
Sitting it out vs Rowing well....I could see Ants point but as you were screwed anyway (exhaustion vs running out of water), rowing could have been morale boosting.
Ants management style vs Conrad - Ant is military and what the captain says goes and not open to suggestion unlike some other professions that offer a CRM (crew resource management) course.
All in all the programme was very good.
warp9 said:
Politics aside, wouldn't rowing 5 hours a day to achieve at max a fairly paltry 50 miles have dehydrated them even more, thus hastened 'the end'?
but they could have picked up some wind after a couple of hours rowing and as it was flat calm even gentle rowing could have been an option. This guy is an expert in finding wind and they only survived because they where given water. Fairly sure it was done for dramatic effect.johnxjsc1985 said:
warp9 said:
Politics aside, wouldn't rowing 5 hours a day to achieve at max a fairly paltry 50 miles have dehydrated them even more, thus hastened 'the end'?
but they could have picked up some wind after a couple of hours rowing and as it was flat calm even gentle rowing could have been an option. This guy is an expert in finding wind and they only survived because they where given water. Fairly sure it was done for dramatic effect.They were living on 400 cals per day and looking emaciated on it, plus they were dehydrated.
jammy-git said:
Melman Giraffe said:
nicanary said:
Ant up to his old tricks, twisting things to suit himself. If anyone thinks Conrad is right AND YOU WANT HIM AS NEW CAPTAIN, put your hands up. Conrad was proposing no such thing. The skipper is a conniving little st.
No he is a strong leader and that's what leaders do. Ant knew this was a survival trip - it wasn't about beating any time or racing, which is what Conrad couldn't seem to get to grips with. Rowing would have finished them off at that stage of the journey and I would have thought that within 12 hours, the rescue boat would have been needed.
The sign of a true leader (IMO) is not to panic in a situation like that, which is what Ant did. He had confidence in his decision and stuck to his guns.
I'd always take the advice of an ex-SAS soldier over a yacht racer when it came to a question of how to survive.
Nezquick said:
I agree.
Ant knew this was a survival trip - it wasn't about beating any time or racing, which is what Conrad couldn't seem to get to grips with. Rowing would have finished them off at that stage of the journey and I would have thought that within 12 hours, the rescue boat would have been needed.
The sign of a true leader (IMO) is not to panic in a situation like that, which is what Ant did. He had confidence in his decision and stuck to his guns.
I'd always take the advice of an ex-SAS soldier over a yacht racer when it came to a question of how to survive.
you seem to be forgetting they needed the extra water to survive as they were all dehydrated to a point which could have caused serious health problems, without the water how long do you think they would have "survived" .the Doctor already new he was in a poor state of health. SO their survival was directly linked to the support vessel not the SAS mans abilities. Ant knew this was a survival trip - it wasn't about beating any time or racing, which is what Conrad couldn't seem to get to grips with. Rowing would have finished them off at that stage of the journey and I would have thought that within 12 hours, the rescue boat would have been needed.
The sign of a true leader (IMO) is not to panic in a situation like that, which is what Ant did. He had confidence in his decision and stuck to his guns.
I'd always take the advice of an ex-SAS soldier over a yacht racer when it came to a question of how to survive.
WinstonWolf said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
warp9 said:
Politics aside, wouldn't rowing 5 hours a day to achieve at max a fairly paltry 50 miles have dehydrated them even more, thus hastened 'the end'?
but they could have picked up some wind after a couple of hours rowing and as it was flat calm even gentle rowing could have been an option. This guy is an expert in finding wind and they only survived because they where given water. Fairly sure it was done for dramatic effect.They were living on 400 cals per day and looking emaciated on it, plus they were dehydrated.
I would have made everyone keep their shirts on - bare skin loses more water so not surprising that the most dehydrated was always bare chested.
Some poor planning was evident. They knew exactly how far it was to Timor, and could estimate how many days water they would need. They were becalmed for what, just a week? They should have known there were likely to be windless days, and made provision for it. One additional week should not have been the difference between life and death. Also they could have caught and eaten fish to get water.
Just watched 'unbroken' about Louis Zamperini, a US pilot who survived in a life raft in the Pacific for 47 days. No back up boat for him!
But the boat was meant to have been a replica of Bligh's so i assume everything was scaled as such, ie Bligh had water for 19 men as opposed to 9 and so the water rations where the same.
They also said that during Blighs trip, it was stormy and raining constantly = fresh supply of water, where as Ant had calm and sunshine
They also said that during Blighs trip, it was stormy and raining constantly = fresh supply of water, where as Ant had calm and sunshine
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