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Rumblestripe

2,977 posts

163 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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Tango13 said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Um, ok. And there are several versions of Lynch's Dune, including an extended version that he disowned and is instead credited to Alan Smithee (an official pseudonym used by film directors who wish to disown a project).

What was your point again?
I have the original on laser disc and the DVD with both the David Lynch and Alan Smithee versions, again the latter version was due to studio bosses not understanding that there is more to science fiction than lasers, space battles and exploding death stars.

The Alan Smithee cut has several minutes of spoilers at the beginning that gives half the plot away because people lack either the comprehension skills or won't concentrate enough to discover the plot for themselves.

My point is that the success of Star Wars made it very difficult to make and sell a 'grown up' science fiction film for the next decade at least.

Prior to the 1977 release of Star Wars there was Silent Running (1972) and Logan's Run (1976) , not without their faults granted but thought provoking intelligent films. After the massive box office success of Star Wars the studios didn't want anything that wasn't light sabres to put bums on seats.
Loved the book, never liked the film.

I would also point out that Star Wars did spawn intelligent SciFi films. Alien 1979, Bladerunner 1982, Terminator 1984 to name three obvious films, indeed I would argue that those films would not have been made but for the success of Star Wars.

TonyToniTone

3,432 posts

250 months

Friday 11th September 2020
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Some nice touches in the new trailer https://youtu.be/n9xhJrPXop4

Vickers_VC10

6,759 posts

206 months

Saturday 12th September 2020
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I find the decision to what looks like my eyes as a direct remake of Lynch's version, an odd one. Whilst I do really like Dune, I acknowledge its fairly derided as not being true to the source material and generally being a mess.

My only thoughts were perhaps to enable a sequel to be filmed, first they had to remake it with a fresh cast. Not sure either way this trailer looks very good.

V1nce Fox

5,508 posts

69 months

Saturday 12th September 2020
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all of these criticisms of the old film are fair and yet i still like it.

bolidemichael

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13,923 posts

202 months

Saturday 12th September 2020
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Vickers_VC10 said:
I find the decision to what looks like my eyes as a direct remake of Lynch's version, an odd one. Whilst I do really like Dune, I acknowledge its fairly derided as not being true to the source material and generally being a mess.

My only thoughts were perhaps to enable a sequel to be filmed, first they had to remake it with a fresh cast. Not sure either way this trailer looks very good.
Villeneuve has categorically stated that he isn't referencing the Lynch movie but working off the source material i.e. the book. There's a good interview from August at the Shanghai Film Festival which is very insightful.

Vickers_VC10

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206 months

Saturday 12th September 2020
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bolidemichael said:
Villeneuve has categorically stated that he isn't referencing the Lynch movie but working off the source material i.e. the book. There's a good interview from August at the Shanghai Film Festival which is very insightful.
Comparisons are obviously going to be made though if you include the hand in box scene and Paul saying.... ' I must not fear, fear is the mindkiller' FWIW I couldn't get along with the book and gave up.

Rumblestripe

2,977 posts

163 months

Saturday 12th September 2020
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Vickers_VC10 said:
Comparisons are obviously going to be made though if you include the hand in box scene and Paul saying.... ' I must not fear, fear is the mindkiller' FWIW I couldn't get along with the book and gave up.
Both scenes (IIRC) feature prominently in the book. "Hand in the box" is a major plot point.

Clockwork Cupcake

74,759 posts

273 months

Saturday 12th September 2020
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Vickers_VC10 said:
Comparisons are obviously going to be made though if you include the hand in box scene and Paul saying.... ' I must not fear, fear is the mindkiller' FWIW I couldn't get along with the book and gave up.
So you haven't read much of even the first book but you feel qualified to comment on whether the new film is a remake of the old film or whether it is true to the book(s) that you haven't read?

As Rumblestripe points out, the Hand in the Box and the Litany Against Fear both feature heavily in the books. And quite early on the first book too.


Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Saturday 12th September 15:14

bolidemichael

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202 months

Saturday 12th September 2020
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
Vickers_VC10 said:
Comparisons are obviously going to be made though if you include the hand in box scene and Paul saying.... ' I must not fear, fear is the mindkiller' FWIW I couldn't get along with the book and gave up.
So you haven't read much of even the first book but you feel qualified to comment on whether the new film is a remake of the old film or whether it is true to the book(s) that you haven't read?

As Rumblestripe points out, the Hand in the Box and the Litany Against Fear both feature heavily in the books. And quite early on the first book too.
I'm just as bemused - with respect, why bother to comment at all!

whitesocks

1,006 posts

47 months

Saturday 12th September 2020
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Hopefully this spurns on other films studios to adapt other Science Fiction books.

Lord Of Light/Ringworld/Planet Of Adventure/Tau Zero and Downbelow Station are some that I would love to see filmed.

bloomen

6,936 posts

160 months

Saturday 12th September 2020
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whitesocks said:
Hopefully this spurns on other films studios to adapt other Science Fiction books.

Lord Of Light/Ringworld/Planet Of Adventure/Tau Zero and Downbelow Station are some that I would love to see filmed.
Let's see if it delivers first. Dune is an old property and Villeneuve didn't set the box office on fire with Blade Runner. I hope it does well. Sci fi seems pretty fertile on TV anyway.

bolidemichael

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Sunday 13th September 2020
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bloomen said:
whitesocks said:
Hopefully this spurns on other films studios to adapt other Science Fiction books.

Lord Of Light/Ringworld/Planet Of Adventure/Tau Zero and Downbelow Station are some that I would love to see filmed.
Let's see if it delivers first. Dune is an old property and Villeneuve didn't set the box office on fire with Blade Runner. I hope it does well. Sci fi seems pretty fertile on TV anyway.
It isn't consequential to me whether he sets the box office on fire, though the downside would be that there is no possibility of the subsequent two novels in the trilogy being set aside (not that I've encountered any rumours of subsequent movies).

whitesocks

1,006 posts

47 months

Sunday 13th September 2020
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God Emperor wont be getting a film, that's for sure.

ajprice

27,623 posts

197 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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Delayed to October 2021, because Covid.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/5/21453047/dune-d...

whitesocks

1,006 posts

47 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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ajprice said:
Delayed to October 2021, because Covid.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/5/21453047/dune-d...
There was rumour this was going to get pushed back. First No Time To Die, and now this.

bolidemichael

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202 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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This should give me time to re-read Dune. I'm currently on page 186...

smithyithy

7,261 posts

119 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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Clockwork Cupcake

74,759 posts

273 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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smithyithy said:
It's a very Hollywood trailer.... but I am still cautiously optimistic. It looks like they have captured a lot of key elements. Not least they actually seem to have got Ornithopters correct (something that I suspect was beyond the SFX budget of the David Lynch film)


Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Thursday 22 July 16:39

bolidemichael

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202 months

Friday 23rd July 2021
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It's quite, erm, bombastic...

rider73

3,063 posts

78 months

Friday 23rd July 2021
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i'm not liking the second trailer that much - but a few glimmers of nice touches in there - its certainly something to get me into the cinema to see - unless its payable to stream....