Jonny Smith's Late Brake Show...

[Smollet]

Challo said:

Llew said:

Got bored after about 8 minutes... My impressions, nice design but 30% too expensive and 30% too heavy....

Battery weight @ circa 500kgs was mentioned, it got me thinking - Where does the other 2.1 tonnes come from? I must be missing something but there can't have been much thought gone into weight saving surely?

What 7 seater SUV is sub 1900kg? Why does it need to be 30% lighter given the weight of some of the ICE variants. Plus 50k seems cheap for a 7 seater SUV.

I thought it was over £70k

[Challo]

Smollet said:

Challo said:

Llew said:

Got bored after about 8 minutes... My impressions, nice design but 30% too expensive and 30% too heavy....

Battery weight @ circa 500kgs was mentioned, it got me thinking - Where does the other 2.1 tonnes come from? I must be missing something but there can't have been much thought gone into weight saving surely?

What 7 seater SUV is sub 1900kg? Why does it need to be 30% lighter given the weight of some of the ICE variants. Plus 50k seems cheap for a 7 seater SUV.

I thought it was over £70k

Sorry the poster stated it should be 30% lighter and 30% cheaper apparently. That would put it 50k depending on the model, which is Kia EV6 money

[jbailey114]

Smollet said:

I lasted a few minutes longer and then thought why am I watching this. No interest in SUVs let alone huge overpriced electric ones

Yup. I watch the barnfinds and some of the project updates. SUVs? Nah.

[21st Century Man]

I guess it's part of his output that suits the general consumer rather than car enthusiasts. SUV's, and electric ones at that, really are white goods

[Smollet]

21st Century Man said:

I guess it's part of his output that suits the general consumer rather than car enthusiasts. SUV's, and electric ones at that, really are white goods

That's quite a good analogy

[Blib]

21st Century Man said:

I guess it's part of his output that suits the general consumer rather than car enthusiasts. SUV's, and electric ones at that, really are white goods

Electric's the future, granddad.

His EV9 review was thoughtful and reflective, IMO.

He was neither gushing nor dismissive.

It's possible that I enjoyed it more than many because I own two fully electric cars, among others, one of which is a Kia? Maybe I'm just not a car enthusiast.

But, I enjoy nearly everything that Jonny puts out on his channel. I like his presentation style and no one could possibly accuse him of not knowing in his stuff.*





* Cue someone accusing him of not knowing his stuff.

[Smollet]

Blib said:

21st Century Man said:

I guess it's part of his output that suits the general consumer rather than car enthusiasts. SUV's, and electric ones at that, really are white goods

Electric's the future, granddad.

I'd say hydrogen is the future. Electric is just a stopgap

[robemcdonald]

Smollet said:

Blib said:

21st Century Man said:

I guess it's part of his output that suits the general consumer rather than car enthusiasts. SUV's, and electric ones at that, really are white goods

Electric's the future, granddad.

I'd say hydrogen is the future. Electric is just a stopgap

How do you get the hydrogen?

[BunkMoreland]

robemcdonald said:

How do you get the hydrogen?

In a process that's quite involved

But I gather the early days of the oil rush in the 1800s. It wasn't the quickest or easiest process to get it out of the ground, into barrels, onto ships, around the world, refined into petrol, in tankers to the forecourt then sold by Tescos either!

With time Hydrogen infrastructure will ramp up. The only reason a coupe closed in the last year or so was lack of demand.

[ridds]

robemcdonald said:

Smollet said:

Blib said:

21st Century Man said:

I guess it's part of his output that suits the general consumer rather than car enthusiasts. SUV's, and electric ones at that, really are white goods

Electric's the future, granddad.

I'd say hydrogen is the future. Electric is just a stopgap

How do you get the hydrogen?

And how do you store it?

And how do you transport any significant volume of it in your car?

[robemcdonald]

BunkMoreland said:

robemcdonald said:

How do you get the hydrogen?

In a process that's quite involved

But I gather the early days of the oil rush in the 1800s. It wasn't the quickest or easiest process to get it out of the ground, into barrels, onto ships, around the world, refined into petrol, in tankers to the forecourt then sold by Tescos either!

With time Hydrogen infrastructure will ramp up. The only reason a coupe closed in the last year or so was lack of demand.

The only viable way of getting hydrogen in the quantities required is by using lots of electricity.
So, you have to make electricity to make hydrogen.
Making hydrogen seems an unnecessary step.
Progress in battery technology will make the concept of a hydrogen car obsolete except in a handful of applications.

[Rumblestripe]

robemcdonald said:

BunkMoreland said:

robemcdonald said:

How do you get the hydrogen?

In a process that's quite involved

But I gather the early days of the oil rush in the 1800s. It wasn't the quickest or easiest process to get it out of the ground, into barrels, onto ships, around the world, refined into petrol, in tankers to the forecourt then sold by Tescos either!

With time Hydrogen infrastructure will ramp up. The only reason a coupe closed in the last year or so was lack of demand.

The only viable way of getting hydrogen in the quantities required is by using lots of electricity.
So, you have to make electricity to make hydrogen.
Making hydrogen seems an unnecessary step.
Progress in battery technology will make the concept of a hydrogen car obsolete except in a handful of applications.

I find the new found enthusiasm for hydrogen among the ICE diehards rather endearing. I expect that there will be a role for hydrogen in our transport systems but not a universal one like personal transport. But the ICE diehards believe it is the thing that proves they were right all along. It isn't but hey, suck, squeeze, bang, blow dooood.

[21st Century Man]

Rumblestripe said:

suck, squeeze, bang, blow dooood.

Is that what fuel cells do then?

[Smollet]

21st Century Man said:

Rumblestripe said:

suck, squeeze, bang, blow dooood.

Is that what fuel cells do then?

I sincerely hope not

[Blib]

Rumblestripe said:

I find the new found enthusiasm for hydrogen among the ICE diehards rather endearing. I expect that there will be a role for hydrogen in our transport systems but not a universal one like personal transport. But the ICE diehards believe it is the thing that proves they were right all along. It isn't but hey, suck, squeeze, bang, blow dooood.

I own two fully electric cars and two ICE. So, I have no particular axe to grind. I really like driving our electric vehicles.

However, I'm getting a bit tired of waiting for the 'soon to arrive' new battery technology that will enable electric motor cars to rival ICE in both range and refill time.

I know, I know, it's a mere five years away. It always is.

I've completely given up on anyone, whether in government or the private sector, to provide a comprehensive and coherent national charging station rollout.

There are starry-eyed 'diehards' on both sides of this debate.

So, a mix of electric, ICE and eventually, plug in hybrid is the order of the day for me for the foreseeable.

[BunkMoreland]

robemcdonald said:

The only viable way of getting hydrogen in the quantities required is by using lots of electricity.
So, you have to make electricity to make hydrogen.
Making hydrogen seems an unnecessary step.
Progress in battery technology will make the concept of a hydrogen car obsolete except in a handful of applications.

At.
The.
Moment!

I predict a breakthrough in hydrogen fuelling tech long before the battery technology in EVs gets anywhere near it! As above, always "5 years Turkish"

Besides Hydrogen can go into regular internal combustion engine cars (with a few tweaks) which keeps them alive which has got to be better for the environment than ever more lithium mines...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRzJ_U-HG-Q

[12TS]

Jonny is on the Intercooler podcast this week.

[rallycross]

12TS said:

Jonny is on the Intercooler podcast this week.

It’s a really good watch interesting to hear what he had to say

[Speed 3]

Not personally a fan of air cooled VW's but that latest Barn Find episode is epic. The range and extent of the original memorabilia is staggering, let alone the parts that could help many, many restos. Hats off to the family for respecting Grandad's work and passion.

[Smollet]

Speed 3 said:

Not personally a fan of air cooled VW's but that latest Barn Find episode is epic. The range and extent of the original memorabilia is staggering, let alone the parts that could help many, many restos. Hats off to the family for respecting Grandad's work and passion.

Agreed.