Forensics: The Real CSI. BBC2
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oobster said:
Legacywr said:
A bit dull this week.
yea I said the same to my Mrs while it was on. I was vaguely aware that 3D-printing a gun was probably possible but not to the extent that guy was doing it, and there wasn’t much explanation as to why he was doing it either. Just to add, we used to manufacture parts like that for Accuracy International.
Yes, could have done with a bit more around why he was doing to keep the interest.
Certainly didn’t seem to be profiting from it, or have any gang links or anything. Maybe just a bit of a nerd when it comes to guns/3d printing, made them, chucked them in a cupboard when bored with them.
More interesting to me was the ‘sniper rifle’ they found, appeared genuine, and was able to fire but they just seemed to largely ignore that one. Surely that would have been more lethal/less likely to fall apart than the Fisher Price my first gun set?
Certainly didn’t seem to be profiting from it, or have any gang links or anything. Maybe just a bit of a nerd when it comes to guns/3d printing, made them, chucked them in a cupboard when bored with them.
More interesting to me was the ‘sniper rifle’ they found, appeared genuine, and was able to fire but they just seemed to largely ignore that one. Surely that would have been more lethal/less likely to fall apart than the Fisher Price my first gun set?
Richtea1970 said:
Yes, could have done with a bit more around why he was doing to keep the interest.
Certainly didn’t seem to be profiting from it, or have any gang links or anything. Maybe just a bit of a nerd when it comes to guns/3d printing, made them, chucked them in a cupboard when bored with them.
More interesting to me was the ‘sniper rifle’ they found, appeared genuine, and was able to fire but they just seemed to largely ignore that one. Surely that would have been more lethal/less likely to fall apart than the Fisher Price my first gun set?
The rifle didn't need the same level of investigation, it was quickly confirmed as a Sec 1 firearm and the bloke was charged with it. The home brew stuff he had was far more involved as they wanted to find out if he had actually made them and if they were viable firearms, hence why the programme focussed on that more rather than the straight possession of the rifle. Certainly didn’t seem to be profiting from it, or have any gang links or anything. Maybe just a bit of a nerd when it comes to guns/3d printing, made them, chucked them in a cupboard when bored with them.
More interesting to me was the ‘sniper rifle’ they found, appeared genuine, and was able to fire but they just seemed to largely ignore that one. Surely that would have been more lethal/less likely to fall apart than the Fisher Price my first gun set?
The model was tested with an 'improvised' round but they didn't mention the recovery of ammunition in the search, nor did they state if there was forensic evidence of ballistic testing prior to seizure. I would've though the presence of ammunition and evidence of testing was a key factor in proving the models were viable weapons, because they were not commercially produced. I assume the improvised round was cobbled togather by the coppers.
Another thing that wasn't mentioned was where the intelligence came from, which is interesting and sinister, because the models were produced from downloaded printing files..
Did the coppers reaction in the house search stand out as strange to anyone else? I'm sure he was stroking an erection in his pockets as it was such a strange extreme reaction. Do police get erections at things like that?
Those models were not reliable viable weapons. The 5 year sentence came from the section one 'sniper' rifle, there was no additional sentence for the printed models.
Another thing that wasn't mentioned was where the intelligence came from, which is interesting and sinister, because the models were produced from downloaded printing files..
Did the coppers reaction in the house search stand out as strange to anyone else? I'm sure he was stroking an erection in his pockets as it was such a strange extreme reaction. Do police get erections at things like that?
Those models were not reliable viable weapons. The 5 year sentence came from the section one 'sniper' rifle, there was no additional sentence for the printed models.
Edited by tim jb on Monday 25th March 11:34
tim jb said:
The model was tested with an 'improvised' round but they didn't mention the recovery of ammunition in the search, nor did they state if there was forensic evidence of ballistic testing prior to seizure. I would've though the presence of ammunition and evidence of testing was a key factor in proving the models were viable weapons, because they were not commercially produced. I assume the improvised round was cobbled togather by the coppers.
Another thing that wasn't mentioned was where the intelligence came from, which is interesting because the models were produced from downloaded printing files..
Did the coppers reaction in the house search stand out as strange to anyone else? I'm sure he was stroking an erection in his pockets as it was such a strange extreme reaction. Do police get erections at things like that?
Those models were not reliable viable weapons. The 5 year sentence came from the section one 'sniper' rifle, there was no additional sentence for the printed models.
Honestly, you think a coppers going to get a boner over something like that? You're either an idiot or you're just taking the piss. Everyone loves to find a gun, but I doubt anyone's going to ever get aroused feeling about in a smelly wardrobe in someone else house. Another thing that wasn't mentioned was where the intelligence came from, which is interesting because the models were produced from downloaded printing files..
Did the coppers reaction in the house search stand out as strange to anyone else? I'm sure he was stroking an erection in his pockets as it was such a strange extreme reaction. Do police get erections at things like that?
Those models were not reliable viable weapons. The 5 year sentence came from the section one 'sniper' rifle, there was no additional sentence for the printed models.
The testing wasn't carried out by police so to speak, it was carried out by NABIS - National Ballistics Intelligence Service. It won't have been their first rodeo, no rounds would have been 'cobbled together' and of course the weapons would have been checked for gunshot residue. That would have taken place before NABIS got their hands on the weapons at the time fingerprint testing etc.
Have a look at their website, it's pretty interesting stuff
https://www.nabis.police.uk/
Its always worth remembering that these shows don't show absolutely everything, even the clips when the bobbies are talking about the case are filmed months after it happened, it's all a bit cringe having to recreate a telephone conversation that was had 6 months previous just for the cameras.
Legacywr said:
Or how he obtained the trigger and other metal parts, although there's probably a good reason for this...
Just to add, we used to manufacture parts like that for Accuracy International.
He had payment history to Aliexpress and you can get pretty much anything from there if there's a market for it (most sales would be to the US). Just to add, we used to manufacture parts like that for Accuracy International.
Afaik 5 years is the minimum sentence for an unlicensed firearm so he got away quite lightly (pled guilty so serving half), perhaps as there was no malice involved on his part?
The guns looked pretty study considering he was using an entry level printer and standard PLA filament, wonder if after the case was complete they then tested the weapons to destruction for future reference?
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https://www.thelawpages.com/court-cases/David-Bidd...
Richtea1970 said:
More interesting to me was the ‘sniper rifle’ they found, appeared genuine, and was able to fire but they just seemed to largely ignore that one. Surely that would have been more lethal/less likely to fall apart than the Fisher Price my first gun set?
Yeah but they quickly moved on from that as it was an obsolete cal section 58 rifle (Schmidt-Rubin Model 1889) which can be legally owned. The silencer however would need a license.Dan_The_Man said:
Richtea1970 said:
More interesting to me was the ‘sniper rifle’ they found, appeared genuine, and was able to fire but they just seemed to largely ignore that one. Surely that would have been more lethal/less likely to fall apart than the Fisher Price my first gun set?
Yeah but they quickly moved on from that as it was an obsolete cal section 58 rifle (Schmidt-Rubin Model 1889) which can be legally owned. The silencer however would need a license.Dan_The_Man said:
Richtea1970 said:
More interesting to me was the ‘sniper rifle’ they found, appeared genuine, and was able to fire but they just seemed to largely ignore that one. Surely that would have been more lethal/less likely to fall apart than the Fisher Price my first gun set?
Yeah but they quickly moved on from that as it was an obsolete cal section 58 rifle (Schmidt-Rubin Model 1889) which can be legally owned. The silencer however would need a license.It was all more of an educational video this week to deter future nerds.
The guy was either building a stockpile and intending to sell them on, a terrorist in the making with an ever increasing obsession to build things that kill and then flip (like we see in the US) OR just a nerd who got a 3D printer for Christmas and wanted to get rid of filament and it escalated. The Sniper throws a bit of the nerd obsession out the window.
He had Bitcoin apps on his device and was trading in gold bullion on his accounts (I think) so would indicate dark money being traded or would had been used.
Next question for our beloved national police force is how do you stop this sort of activity happening in future, it's not like a bomb where you'd need excessive material sourced to make the bomb, I'm not convinced there is anything other than deterrent.
The guy was either building a stockpile and intending to sell them on, a terrorist in the making with an ever increasing obsession to build things that kill and then flip (like we see in the US) OR just a nerd who got a 3D printer for Christmas and wanted to get rid of filament and it escalated. The Sniper throws a bit of the nerd obsession out the window.
He had Bitcoin apps on his device and was trading in gold bullion on his accounts (I think) so would indicate dark money being traded or would had been used.
Next question for our beloved national police force is how do you stop this sort of activity happening in future, it's not like a bomb where you'd need excessive material sourced to make the bomb, I'm not convinced there is anything other than deterrent.
Interesting one. Often the trigger groups on 3d printed guns like the FGC-9 are metal Airsoft gun parts. The 'AR15' was weird as was the test fire. Was it chambered for modified 8mm blanks or something I wonder?
The bit around the STL files annoyed me. STL's aren't printer specific and the fact the copper could slice it to print on the guys printer proved sod all.
I wonder how he got his hands on the non-obsolete rifle. Everything else was 'gun nerd with a printer' territory.
The bit around the STL files annoyed me. STL's aren't printer specific and the fact the copper could slice it to print on the guys printer proved sod all.
I wonder how he got his hands on the non-obsolete rifle. Everything else was 'gun nerd with a printer' territory.
hairykrishna said:
I wonder how he got his hands on the non-obsolete rifle. Everything else was 'gun nerd with a printer' territory.
It was an obsolete calibre Schmidt-Rubin Model 1889. The 'firearm expert' incorrectly stated it was a licensable firearm (you would think he'd know).. They used that information to get the suspect remanded. tim jb said:
hairykrishna said:
I wonder how he got his hands on the non-obsolete rifle. Everything else was 'gun nerd with a printer' territory.
It was an obsolete calibre Schmidt-Rubin Model 1889. The 'firearm expert' incorrectly stated it was a licensable firearm (you would think he'd know).. They used that information to get the suspect remanded. Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff