Top Gun Maverick review thread with SPOILERS *DANGERZONE*
Discussion
Evanivitch said:
Someone in the previous thread complained about the way the Admiral, Iceman was introduced in the trailer. It was a bit crowbarred.
But for the movie it seemed like it was done differently, and seemed less of a hack job.
Found the post.But for the movie it seemed like it was done differently, and seemed less of a hack job.
Scabutz said:
There is one small thing in the latest trailer that bothers me.
"You are here on the orders of Admirial Kazansky, AKA Iceman".
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h we all know who Kazansky is, we don't need the AKA. Is this for the fans of the original or is it trying to appeal to all, because if its the later I'm worried its going to suck.
"You are here on the orders of Admirial Kazansky, AKA Iceman".
b
h we all know who Kazansky is, we don't need the AKA. Is this for the fans of the original or is it trying to appeal to all, because if its the later I'm worried its going to suck. Evanivitch said:
Evanivitch said:
Someone in the previous thread complained about the way the Admiral, Iceman was introduced in the trailer. It was a bit crowbarred.
But for the movie it seemed like it was done differently, and seemed less of a hack job.
Found the post.But for the movie it seemed like it was done differently, and seemed less of a hack job.
Scabutz said:
There is one small thing in the latest trailer that bothers me.
"You are here on the orders of Admirial Kazansky, AKA Iceman".
bh we all know who Kazansky is, we don't need the AKA. Is this for the fans of the original or is it trying to appeal to all, because if its the later I'm worried its going to suck.
"You are here on the orders of Admirial Kazansky, AKA Iceman".
b
h we all know who Kazansky is, we don't need the AKA. Is this for the fans of the original or is it trying to appeal to all, because if its the later I'm worried its going to suck. LeadFarmer said:
Was also hoping to see Stinger and Viper, but maybe they would be too old now to still be hanging around a fighter jet training school.
Anyone know if there were any after credit scenes?
Apparently Viper was filmed in the Iceman funeral but didn't make the final cut. Don't understand why you'd bother getting him there to film and then not use it. Anyone know if there were any after credit scenes?
Edited by LeadFarmer on Wednesday 1st June 08:47
No jester either, I think Michael Ironside and Jerry Bruckheimer don't get along
Good interview here with a Blue Angels pilot who flew some of the Tom Cruise sequences for the movie including the low level pass and pull up in the desert and the trench run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOWw_ZFweAk&t=...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOWw_ZFweAk&t=...
Scabutz said:
LeadFarmer said:
Was also hoping to see Stinger and Viper, but maybe they would be too old now to still be hanging around a fighter jet training school.
Anyone know if there were any after credit scenes?
Apparently Viper was filmed in the Iceman funeral but didn't make the final cut. Don't understand why you'd bother getting him there to film and then not use it. Anyone know if there were any after credit scenes?
No jester either, I think Michael Ironside and Jerry Bruckheimer don't get along
LeadFarmer said:
I think they could have at least made reference to Charlie (Kelly McGillis), even if just a passing sentence as she was a lead role in the original. I guess they didn't ask her to be in it as they don't think her current appearance suits this type of film
Agreed, I was confused as she was such a big part of the first one that she didn't get a mention.There wasn't much depth to the other pilot characters, apart from Rooster. The rest felt a bit insignificant. I guess the film is based around Maverick so they probably felt that was enough for the other pilots.
As I say, still enjoyed it very much.
Ari said:
I have a question. In the original trailer, the first 30 seconds was a fighter jet screaming across the desert floor. I don't recall seeing this actual clip in the movie. Did I miss it in all the excitement, or was it not used?
https://youtu.be/qSqVVswa420
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMbBh2CxUOwhttps://youtu.be/qSqVVswa420
This is worth a watch. Actors and crew talking about some the flying scenes, how they got trained up to eventually take a seat in the F18s, and practicalities of the filming and cockpit cameras. That particular shot with the vortices of sand swirling around wasn't planned but when it was captured, they knew they had to include it somewhere.
r1ch said:
Agreed, I was confused as she was such a big part of the first one that she didn't get a mention.
There wasn't much depth to the other pilot characters, apart from Rooster. The rest felt a bit insignificant. I guess the film is based around Maverick so they probably felt that was enough for the other pilots.
As I say, still enjoyed it very much.
The original film had some big name actors as pilots, but in Maverick they were either unknown or less famous actors. I wonder if Tom just wanted to be the only big name amongst them?There wasn't much depth to the other pilot characters, apart from Rooster. The rest felt a bit insignificant. I guess the film is based around Maverick so they probably felt that was enough for the other pilots.
As I say, still enjoyed it very much.
LeadFarmer said:
The original film had some big name actors as pilots, but in Maverick they were either unknown or less famous actors. I wonder if Tom just wanted to be the only big name amongst them?
Maybe. But I imagine the training ahead of filming was quite a long time, and cruise no doubt wasn't granting days off... So I'm guessing any more famous actors would struggle to fit it amongst their diary. Just guessing.He's worked with plenty of big names in other movies.
Evanivitch said:
LeadFarmer said:
The original film had some big name actors as pilots, but in Maverick they were either unknown or less famous actors. I wonder if Tom just wanted to be the only big name amongst them?
Maybe. But I imagine the training ahead of filming was quite a long time, and cruise no doubt wasn't granting days off... So I'm guessing any more famous actors would struggle to fit it amongst their diary. Just guessing.He's worked with plenty of big names in other movies.
I enjoyed this enormously. However, it is in many ways predictable (though this isn't a bad thing!). Having not watched the later trailers, and avoiding all reviews, I had no idea of the plot. But. The moment they said 'they even have some old F-14s', I immediately thought:
"Right, so that's the mission roster decided then; Maverick and Rooster in the single-seaters, so Maverick can get shot down, protecting Rooster. Then Rooster will get shot down trying to save him, and they'll steal an F-14 to escape. Maverick will get two kills at some point to make ace".
Equally, the Mi24 shootdown and the final Su-57 shootdown were the same scene, just different pilots, complete with orders not to engage just before they ignore and get stuck in regardless.
But who cares, I loved it
"Right, so that's the mission roster decided then; Maverick and Rooster in the single-seaters, so Maverick can get shot down, protecting Rooster. Then Rooster will get shot down trying to save him, and they'll steal an F-14 to escape. Maverick will get two kills at some point to make ace".
Equally, the Mi24 shootdown and the final Su-57 shootdown were the same scene, just different pilots, complete with orders not to engage just before they ignore and get stuck in regardless.
But who cares, I loved it
jimmyjimjim said:
I enjoyed this enormously. However, it is in many ways predictable (though this isn't a bad thing!). Having not watched the later trailers, and avoiding all reviews, I had no idea of the plot. But. The moment they said 'they even have some old F-14s', I immediately thought:
"Right, so that's the mission roster decided then; Maverick and Rooster in the single-seaters, so Maverick can get shot down, protecting Rooster. Then Rooster will get shot down trying to save him, and they'll steal an F-14 to escape. Maverick will get two kills at some point to make ace".
Equally, the Mi24 shootdown and the final Su-57 shootdown were the same scene, just different pilots, complete with orders not to engage just before they ignore and get stuck in regardless.
But who cares, I loved it
As many above have said, it's very easy to find faults in the film, but what's great is how few people want to. Things get so ravaged online, it's so nice to see so many people choosing to just go with it and enjoy the movie for what it is. In reality the mission would not be flown like that, and I see no reason why such a mission would even be given to the Navy, isn't there a separate branch of the military who just fly planes who could take care of this? An Air Force if you will?"Right, so that's the mission roster decided then; Maverick and Rooster in the single-seaters, so Maverick can get shot down, protecting Rooster. Then Rooster will get shot down trying to save him, and they'll steal an F-14 to escape. Maverick will get two kills at some point to make ace".
Equally, the Mi24 shootdown and the final Su-57 shootdown were the same scene, just different pilots, complete with orders not to engage just before they ignore and get stuck in regardless.
But who cares, I loved it
Also the lack of fleshing out the characters, etc, if you think about what the scriptwriters were given, they have blended everything into the time available very well. Having done a bit of script and editing work, it's very hard to do effectively. Having such a strong link to the original must have made so many headaches and discussions about how much of a link to the original was appropriate.
The film needs to update the audience with the Maverick character, where he is now, what he's been doing, but it also needs to introduce the character to potentially (as if) an audience who may not have seen the original. Then it needs to introduce the actual plot for the new film, the new mission, get you invested in the characters, create the threat, overcome the threat, tie a bow on it, all the while satisfying those who want throwbacks to TG and those who want something fresh. It's a lot to fit in, and a very fine line to walk.
Really, for all it's flaws, I can't think of a better way to do it, a scene that I should have added or a scene that should have been removed and still made the run time. All the compromises that are naturally made making a film were spot on.
The themes I saw that no one has mentioned yet were quite a tender touch on the realities of aging, Hangman calling Mav "Pops" and "oldtimer" Tom getting his shirt back on asap after the beach Hand Egg game, the much softer above the neck bedroom scenes, as ridiculously youthful as 60 year old Tom Cruise is, it didn't shy away from him aging and needing to grow up and accept that he is gonna have to make some changes and settle down a little, albeit 30 years after most of us reach the same conclusions.
Another theme was that it was a actually laid out a lot like a sports movie. The camaraderie, the rivalry, the training, the gelling as a team, the common goal achieved by people playing their separate roles, the anonymous bad guys, the final victory and the celebration.
The flying sequences are almost incidental, in that most of us would have been happy if the cut had gone: Carrier golden hour intro>Let's see what you got>final mission. That on its own would be a great movie and would run for over an hour. All the plot and story just hangs around that.
Such a wonderful film i'm close to watching it for the third time this weekend.
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