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InformationSuperHighway said:
J4CKO said:
Mr Miata said:
Luke. said:
Why not watch it and find out?
Also with tickets at just £10, why not?
Because I wouldn’t touch such a crash damaged car with a barge pole. Also with tickets at just £10, why not?
Your name has Miata in it, so you are or have been happy to drive a small, usually terminally rusty sports car that’s no way as sturdily built as any of these supposedly dangerous ones.
Plenty of reasons not to buy it but it being repaired isn’t my top one.
J4CKO said:
It will be fine, not sure what people think will be wrong with it, cars get repaired all the time, don’t think it’s going to not drive right, be dangerous or what ?
Your name has Miata in it, so you are or have been happy to drive a small, usually terminally rusty sports car that’s no way as sturdily built as any of these supposedly dangerous ones.
Plenty of reasons not to buy it but it being repaired isn’t my top one.
The car I had at the time was brand new, so no corrosion like you implied. No bent chassis or structural parts. The back end was the orignal from the factory and not cut away and replaced with another back end that’s tacked on by an amateur. Your name has Miata in it, so you are or have been happy to drive a small, usually terminally rusty sports car that’s no way as sturdily built as any of these supposedly dangerous ones.
Plenty of reasons not to buy it but it being repaired isn’t my top one.
It was also Euroncap crash tested… https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/67681/euroncap-2015...
Given the popularity of the MX-5 I haven’t heard any horror stories saying it’s worse in a crash.
By point is, the damage to the Rolls Royce is not just a slight carpark ding that’s been professionally repaired by an approved bodyshop using OEM parts. But that Rolls Royce (and the BMW M3 before it) were very badly smashed up, to the point where suspension arms snapped and the rear structure caved in or creased. Their repair seems to be improvised by an amateur who’s never welded before using what parts he can find. I’d be interested to see how the back of that M3 holds together and if the welds fail? Why would anyone be interested in owning this car knowing that?
Edited by Mr Miata on Wednesday 27th March 02:54
Mr Miata said:
J4CKO said:
It will be fine, not sure what people think will be wrong with it, cars get repaired all the time, don’t think it’s going to not drive right, be dangerous or what ?
Your name has Miata in it, so you are or have been happy to drive a small, usually terminally rusty sports car that’s no way as sturdily built as any of these supposedly dangerous ones.
Plenty of reasons not to buy it but it being repaired isn’t my top one.
The car I had at the time was brand new, so no corrosion like you implied. No bent chassis or structural parts. The back end was the orignal from the factory and not cut away and replaced with another back end that’s tacked on by an amateur. Your name has Miata in it, so you are or have been happy to drive a small, usually terminally rusty sports car that’s no way as sturdily built as any of these supposedly dangerous ones.
Plenty of reasons not to buy it but it being repaired isn’t my top one.
It was also Euroncap crash tested… https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/67681/euroncap-2015...
Given the popularity of the MX-5 I haven’t heard any horror stories saying it’s worse in a crash.
By point is, the damage to the Rolls Royce is not just a slight carpark ding that’s been professionally repaired by an approved bodyshop using OEM parts. But that Rolls Royce (and the BMW M3 before it) were very badly smashed up, to the point where suspension arms snapped and the rear structure caved in or creased. Their repair seems to be improvised by an amateur who’s never welded before using what parts he can find. I’d be interested to see how the back of that M3 holds together and if the welds fail? Why would anyone be interested in owning this car knowing that?
Edited by Mr Miata on Wednesday 27th March 02:54
I have watched a few of his videos and the Goonzsquad ones and I take on board what you are saying but having seen it done I would be happy to drive them, I have never thought they look super sketchy and they seem to take care.
At what point does an amateur become a professional, have seen crap work by people who call themselves professional.
I welded sills and other bits on my Porsche 944, hadnt done much welding but practised on old panels and bits of metal and it worked well, had it checked over by a welder of some years experience and he seemed happy with it, he said he wouldnt have done it any different, but the key bit was that he would have done it in quarter of the time.
These guys have the scrutiny of millions of subscribers and they do read the comments and heed the warnings, I am not an expert but would trust the work Matt Armstrong does, I cant see it going in anywhere else and being massively safer, they did take note of the differences in the subframes rather than just use it.
They do get the right adhesives and fasteners, I have seen proper bodgery and this doesnt come close, and in a lot of cases you will never know but this is there for all the world to see in minute detail.
I have seen this car in person, the picture of it in Wilmslow on double yellows is outside a jewellers who my youngest is friends with, apparently a very nice guy Marcus Rashford, Wilmslow and surrounding areas can be rather dodgy with footballers in fast cars crashing, not even just footballers, wth Alderley Edge up the road there is enough exotic metal to keep YouTubers going for a long long time.
Fair play to him for taking it on, I dont think he can lose on this, its a lot of money but with the football connection it will drive new traffic to his channel, potentially more global viewers as Man U are massive overseas, and MR plays for England as well, he is a very big name with his charity stuff as well, and the slightly iffy aspects of the crash and insurance situation add intrigue and a little scandal.
Mr Miata said:
The car I had at the time was brand new, so no corrosion like you implied. No bent chassis or structural parts. The back end was the orignal from the factory and not cut away and replaced with another back end that’s tacked on by an amateur.
It was also Euroncap crash tested… https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/67681/euroncap-2015...
Given the popularity of the MX-5 I haven’t heard any horror stories saying it’s worse in a crash.
By point is, the damage to the Rolls Royce is not just a slight carpark ding that’s been professionally repaired by an approved bodyshop using OEM parts. But that Rolls Royce (and the BMW M3 before it) were very badly smashed up, to the point where suspension arms snapped and the rear structure caved in or creased. Their repair seems to be improvised by an amateur who’s never welded before using what parts he can find. I’d be interested to see how the back of that M3 holds together and if the welds fail? Why would anyone be interested in owning this car knowing that?
I can only assume you don't actually watch the videos or you don't understand how cars are manufactured or repaired. It was also Euroncap crash tested… https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/67681/euroncap-2015...
Given the popularity of the MX-5 I haven’t heard any horror stories saying it’s worse in a crash.
By point is, the damage to the Rolls Royce is not just a slight carpark ding that’s been professionally repaired by an approved bodyshop using OEM parts. But that Rolls Royce (and the BMW M3 before it) were very badly smashed up, to the point where suspension arms snapped and the rear structure caved in or creased. Their repair seems to be improvised by an amateur who’s never welded before using what parts he can find. I’d be interested to see how the back of that M3 holds together and if the welds fail? Why would anyone be interested in owning this car knowing that?
Edited by Mr Miata on Wednesday 27th March 02:54
The repairs are far from improvised and Jack (who repaired the M3 and will no doubt be involved in the Wraith) is a professional not an amateur. He isn't using what parts he can find, he's using replacement panels from good cars.
I'd be interested to see how the back of any car holds together if the welds fail. The key point is that if they were done properly (which they were) they shouldn't fail any more than a factory spot weld.
Mr Miata said:
J4CKO said:
It will be fine, not sure what people think will be wrong with it, cars get repaired all the time, don’t think it’s going to not drive right, be dangerous or what ?
Your name has Miata in it, so you are or have been happy to drive a small, usually terminally rusty sports car that’s no way as sturdily built as any of these supposedly dangerous ones.
Plenty of reasons not to buy it but it being repaired isn’t my top one.
The car I had at the time was brand new, so no corrosion like you implied. No bent chassis or structural parts. The back end was the orignal from the factory and not cut away and replaced with another back end that’s tacked on by an amateur. Your name has Miata in it, so you are or have been happy to drive a small, usually terminally rusty sports car that’s no way as sturdily built as any of these supposedly dangerous ones.
Plenty of reasons not to buy it but it being repaired isn’t my top one.
It was also Euroncap crash tested… https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/67681/euroncap-2015...
Given the popularity of the MX-5 I haven’t heard any horror stories saying it’s worse in a crash.
By point is, the damage to the Rolls Royce is not just a slight carpark ding that’s been professionally repaired by an approved bodyshop using OEM parts. But that Rolls Royce (and the BMW M3 before it) were very badly smashed up, to the point where suspension arms snapped and the rear structure caved in or creased. Their repair seems to be improvised by an amateur who’s never welded before using what parts he can find. I’d be interested to see how the back of that M3 holds together and if the welds fail? Why would anyone be interested in owning this car knowing that?
Edited by Mr Miata on Wednesday 27th March 02:54
What is the difference between a professional and an amature - getting paid for the work you do.
Suspension components get replaced all the time, with or without associated body damage, so long as the mounting points are all in the right place there is no problem with this at all.
Plug welding as used in the M3 repair is actually comically easy to do with the right equipment, all of the most technical work was done by a "professional" body repair guy anyway with MA and his dad completing the rest. If you've watched over the years you will see how Matt has learned from every rebuild he has done and improved his skills and knowledge along the way and from what we have seen I'd put the M3 rebuild up there with any professional bodyshop.
It staggers me that with no idea of how cars are constructed or repaired can so confidently declare that it must be unsafe because it has been written off. it is like that people don't realise that it is a purely a financial decision by insurance companies to write a car off, very rarely does it has any thing to do with the ability for it to be repaired or subsequent safety thereof.
If you are so against cars being repaired why are you even watching in the first place, or is it just so you can whine and complain about how unsafe it is?
All this about Mat being an amateur is correct, but most cars he fixes go back to the Main dealer, I'm pretty sure off-camera they go through the car looking for any issues, some are pointed out in the videos,plus are you 100%sure the car that you drive is straight and never been in a crash/repaired?? A BMW I had a few years ago had lots of the rear end replaced after a shunt, I would never have known and it was resold through the BMW network.
I once bought a Golf GTi that was 'professionally' repaired after a small rear offside dink, within months it was rusting under the arch, the suspension alignment was off, the rear seat clamp was rubbing making a noise that only got worse, the wheel had a buckle in it felt through the steering. It wasn't recorded and AC were only too happy to 'fix' the car and sell it on.
Seeing the effort MA goes with his cars I'd be happy to own anyone he fixes given most of the build is documented in great details.
Seeing the effort MA goes with his cars I'd be happy to own anyone he fixes given most of the build is documented in great details.
The OG Jester said:
I once bought a Golf GTi that was 'professionally' repaired after a small rear offside dink, within months it was rusting under the arch, the suspension alignment was off, the rear seat clamp was rubbing making a noise that only got worse, the wheel had a buckle in it felt through the steering. It wasn't recorded and AC were only too happy to 'fix' the car and sell it on.
Seeing the effort MA goes with his cars I'd be happy to own anyone he fixes given most of the build is documented in great details.
I didn’t see much evidence of corrosion-proofing the repair panels on the M3. Weld-through zinc primer, for instance. When new, those cars would be dipped before painting, flooding the cavities. Basic black primer doesn’t quite do the same job.Seeing the effort MA goes with his cars I'd be happy to own anyone he fixes given most of the build is documented in great details.
But perhaps no worse than from a regular body shop?
Some videos from the person who bought his Smurf blue E46 M3.
https://www.youtube.com/@CaptainMilkybeardTheMerma...
https://www.youtube.com/@CaptainMilkybeardTheMerma...
pingu393 said:
He paid £200k in corporation tax last year, so I don't think he is strapped for cash.
Good luck to him. It seems to be a well thought-out business plan that is doing well.
Yep so ~£1m+ profit for the year...and that was only up until July 2023 - think his channel has grown a significant amount since then so probably on track to do double that this year, at least. Good luck to him. It seems to be a well thought-out business plan that is doing well.
I suspect the RashRolls won't impact his bank balance much...fair play to him.
Mr Miata said:
It was also Euroncap crash tested… https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/67681/euroncap-2015...
A 2015 4 Star NCAP isnt the same as a 4 star rating today, it even says on that link 'Rating expired'. The goalposts are constantly moving with NCAP, so you comparing an ancient MX5 to this M3's crash protection ability is worthless.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/crash/why-your-ol...
KillerHERTZ said:
Mr Miata said:
It was also Euroncap crash tested… https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/67681/euroncap-2015...
A 2015 4 Star NCAP isnt the same as a 4 star rating today, it even says on that link 'Rating expired'. The goalposts are constantly moving with NCAP, so you comparing an ancient MX5 to this M3's crash protection ability is worthless.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/crash/why-your-ol...
Its a bit of a moot point thought isnt it ?
I have driven classics, I ride bicycles, I drink too much (compared to govt guidelines) and enjoy burgers, a crash in a repaired car that doesnt perform exactly as per factory isnt probably likely to be what kills me, I had a Cayenne ont he wrong side of the road coming at me once, I was in a 67 Fiat 500, that focusses your attention I can tell you !
I would be happy to drive any of the repaired cars done by MA, especially the recent ones.
People assume repaired is unsafe, I got told my old Pug 309 was unsafe as it was a write off, it was, because it was old and worthless, we paid £104 and replaced the grille and bonnet, which will have made not one iota of difference in a crash, was crap before and crap after, but exactly the same level of crap.
For me, seeing the work really helps me understand and not worry about the repaired aspect, but still wary of Cat cars on AT, I reckon I would buy one if they were cheaper and could see the photos of pre and during the repair, or a video.
For a lot its tainted, blighted or whatever, but its more gut feel than reality, and years of stories about cut and shuts and dodgy repairs, still happens I guess but dont think a non cat car wont have had work, like this one, or stuff of high value that does get repaired, you will likely never know.
J4CKO said:
For me, seeing the work really helps me understand and not worry about the repaired aspect, but still wary of Cat cars on AT, I reckon I would buy one if they were cheaper and could see the photos of pre and during the repair, or a video.
For a lot its tainted, blighted or whatever, but its more gut feel than reality, and years of stories about cut and shuts and dodgy repairs, still happens I guess but dont think a non cat car wont have had work, like this one, or stuff of high value that does get repaired, you will likely never know.
Exactly, I have no issues with repaired write offs but as you said, you need to see the car or photos before, during and when finished, far too many are being bodged and that is the bigger issue, if not recorded you in most cases will never know.For a lot its tainted, blighted or whatever, but its more gut feel than reality, and years of stories about cut and shuts and dodgy repairs, still happens I guess but dont think a non cat car wont have had work, like this one, or stuff of high value that does get repaired, you will likely never know.
For comparison, how do people feel about restored classic cars, or just older cars in general, which have had rusty sills, floors and other key structural parts replaced and welded by non-expert men in sheds or local MOT garages without any use of a chassis jig to line anything up? How is that any different, yet it happens everywhere every day without people going on the internet to say it's unsafe and they'd never get in a car repaired like that?
thegreenhell said:
For comparison, how do people feel about restored classic cars, or just older cars in general, which have had rusty sills, floors and other key structural parts replaced and welded by non-expert men in sheds or local MOT garages without any use of a chassis jig to line anything up? How is that any different, yet it happens everywhere every day without people going on the internet to say it's unsafe and they'd never get in a car repaired like that?
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