Mr Bates vs The Post Office

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Hammersia

1,564 posts

15 months

Friday 23rd February
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The Count said:
Hammersia said:
The Count said:
It's good form to provide a little summary of what you're posting, rather than just a link, cheers
Do you realise what a bell end you sound? I hadn't realised you had joined the thread police.
Why not pop back to your own ‘Ryanair First Class seats’ thread and give ‘Acer12’ a telling off for just posting a YouTube link, with no description or is your policing selective? rolleyes
Just letting you know how it is. I don't make the rules.

FiF

44,086 posts

251 months

Friday 23rd February
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Hammersia said:
The Count said:
Hammersia said:
The Count said:
It's good form to provide a little summary of what you're posting, rather than just a link, cheers
Do you realise what a bell end you sound? I hadn't realised you had joined the thread police.
Why not pop back to your own ‘Ryanair First Class seats’ thread and give ‘Acer12’ a telling off for just posting a YouTube link, with no description or is your policing selective? rolleyes
Just letting you know how it is. I don't make the rules.
Speaking of rules, practically it's difficult to give a summary of a news article without actually quoting part of the article, and technically that's against posting rules. Whilst PH has promised a review of the situation it has a delivery success equivalent to that achieved in respect of that Lotus draw prize in years gone by.

Whilst PH mods generally seem to be quite tolerant to minor transgressions only as recently as yesterday someone's post was deleted for breaking the rules by quite some margin. More grey than a car park full of management Audis.

mikeiow

5,369 posts

130 months

Saturday 24th February
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Hammersia said:
The Count said:
Hammersia said:
The Count said:
It's good form to provide a little summary of what you're posting, rather than just a link, cheers
Do you realise what a bell end you sound? I hadn't realised you had joined the thread police.
Why not pop back to your own ‘Ryanair First Class seats’ thread and give ‘Acer12’ a telling off for just posting a YouTube link, with no description or is your policing selective? rolleyes
Just letting you know how it is. I don't make the rules.
What rules?
How what is?

Doesn’t take a mass of effort to click and read a link. The world would be a less shouty place if more people actually did that wink

Are you someone on Facebook who rant at headline articles, when answers are actually available within the article?
coffee

andyA700

2,693 posts

37 months

Saturday 24th February
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Hammersia said:
The Count said:
It's good form to provide a little summary of what you're posting, rather than just a link, cheers
Most of us are adults on here and have no qualms about following a link to a trusted source.

blueg33

35,901 posts

224 months

Saturday 24th February
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andyA700 said:
Hammersia said:
The Count said:
It's good form to provide a little summary of what you're posting, rather than just a link, cheers
Most of us are adults on here and have no qualms about following a link to a trusted source.
Paywalls can be an issue though, even with a 12ft ladder.

RichB

51,573 posts

284 months

Saturday 24th February
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I chuckled at someone who's been around for a year telling someone who's been on Pistonheads for over 20 years how it works. hehe

The Count

3,266 posts

263 months

Saturday 24th February
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RichB said:
I chuckled at someone who's been around for a year telling someone who's been on Pistonheads for over 20 years how it works. hehe
hehe

PlywoodPascal

4,179 posts

21 months

Saturday 24th February
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The Count said:
RichB said:
I chuckled at someone who's been around for a year telling someone who's been on Pistonheads for over 20 years how it works. hehe
hehe
You’ve got learn the rules before you break them.

gareth_r

5,728 posts

237 months

Saturday 24th February
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blueg33 said:
Paywalls can be an issue though, even with a 12ft ladder.
Check if it's been archived by the archive.today website.

Vipers

32,886 posts

228 months

Saturday 24th February
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520TORQUES said:
IJWS15 said:
If a policeman can be stripped of the employer element of his pension why can’t the same rule be applied to some of these PO idiots?
Her pension will likely be a private pension, not a government run one linked to the job.

Even if it was a company based pension, if her contract doesn't state it can be clawed back, then they cant reduce it.

These CEO contracts tend to be a rule to themselves, even when they royally cock it up, they get a payoff.
Pity.

heebeegeetee

28,743 posts

248 months

Sunday 25th February
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The Count said:
Hammersia said:
The Count said:
It's good form to provide a little summary of what you're posting, rather than just a link, cheers
Do you realise what a bell end you sound? I hadn't realised you had joined the thread police.
Why not pop back to your own ‘Ryanair First Class seats’ thread and give ‘Acer12’ a telling off for just posting a YouTube link, with no description or is your policing selective? rolleyes
I agree with Hammer. It's not a rule, it's just as he says, it's good form.
I very rarely click on a link without some form of info, it's normally a waste of time, it's usually someone's idea of a joke or something we already knew.

The Count

3,266 posts

263 months

Sunday 25th February
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heebeegeetee said:
The Count said:
Hammersia said:
The Count said:
It's good form to provide a little summary of what you're posting, rather than just a link, cheers
Do you realise what a bell end you sound? I hadn't realised you had joined the thread police.
Why not pop back to your own ‘Ryanair First Class seats’ thread and give ‘Acer12’ a telling off for just posting a YouTube link, with no description or is your policing selective? rolleyes
I agree with Hammer. It's not a rule, it's just as he says, it's good form.
I very rarely click on a link without some form of info, it's normally a waste of time, it's usually someone's idea of a joke or something we already knew.
You agree with 'Hammer', but you do it yourself; guilty of just posting links up without any 'form of info' (unless 'it seems' is deemed as good form and an insightful description into the article)





Vasco

16,477 posts

105 months

Sunday 25th February
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Back to the subject matter please.

Mercdriver

1,993 posts

33 months

Sunday 25th February
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+1

FiF

44,086 posts

251 months

Sunday 25th February
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Back on topic, being reported that POL has employed a team of ex police detectives, headed by Gary Brooks, former head of major crime unit at Lancashire, to investigate the role of the 'untouchables' the fraud squad investigators who are accused of bullying and intimidating sub postmasters.

Currently interviewing victims who claim they were wrongly treated.

Edited to add, a recording of an interview previously claimed as lost has been unearthed by the police team.

Edited by FiF on Sunday 25th February 16:22

Wills2

22,832 posts

175 months

Sunday 25th February
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FiF said:
Back on topic, being reported that POL has employed a team of ex police detectives, headed by Gary Brooks, former head of major crime unit at Lancashire, to investigate the role of the 'untouchables' the fraud squad investigators who are accused of bullying and intimidating sub postmasters.

Currently interviewing victims who claim they were wrongly treated.

Edited to add, a recording of an interview previously claimed as lost has been unearthed by the police team.

Edited by FiF on Sunday 25th February 16:22
I want to believe that these people will conduct an unbiased investigation but so far anyone hired by the PO has been stonewalled or fired as soon as they didn't come up with the "right" answers.

So I hope it's not another attempt to whitewash again whilst spending our money, when there is already an inquiry and a police investigation I'm very suspicious of any additional help that, that set of vipers offer will in anyway help the course of justice.

BBC link to the story

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68382976


b0rk

2,303 posts

146 months

Monday 26th February
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FiF said:
Back on topic, being reported that POL has employed a team of ex police detectives, headed by Gary Brooks, former head of major crime unit at Lancashire, to investigate the role of the 'untouchables' the fraud squad investigators who are accused of bullying and intimidating sub postmasters.

Currently interviewing victims who claim they were wrongly treated.

Edited to add, a recording of an interview previously claimed as lost has been unearthed by the police team.

Edited by FiF on Sunday 25th February 16:22
This feels like POL are trying to get ahead of bad news story to be going down this route so late in the day, or maybe to try and shift blame to few sacrificial lambs. Other than POL shaming a few employees for being sts not sure how this helps, or how it doesn’t run the risk of preventing the actual police and CPS from bringing prosecutions if criminal acts had been committed. Fair trial rather than trial by media and all that…

tumble dryer

2,017 posts

127 months

Monday 26th February
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b0rk said:
FiF said:
Back on topic, being reported that POL has employed a team of ex police detectives, headed by Gary Brooks, former head of major crime unit at Lancashire, to investigate the role of the 'untouchables' the fraud squad investigators who are accused of bullying and intimidating sub postmasters.

Currently interviewing victims who claim they were wrongly treated.

Edited to add, a recording of an interview previously claimed as lost has been unearthed by the police team.

Edited by FiF on Sunday 25th February 16:22
This feels like POL are trying to get ahead of bad news story to be going down this route so late in the day, or maybe to try and shift blame to few sacrificial lambs. Other than POL shaming a few employees for being sts not sure how this helps, or how it doesn’t run the risk of preventing the actual police and CPS from bringing prosecutions if criminal acts had been committed. Fair trial rather than trial by media and all that…
Yeah, I'm with that thinking too...

When I first read FiF's post I was conflicted.

I liked the sound of what was being touted, but there was that uneasiness as to the bona fides of, well, let's be honest, the slipperiest, most dishonest, arsesaving-ist, self-preserving, myopic, self-serving bunch of now stting themselves, dishonest and lying, bullying s (that our successive governments have patted on the back) ever.













blueg33

35,901 posts

224 months

Monday 26th February
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Are they investigating those who empowered the investigators?

FiF

44,086 posts

251 months

Monday 26th February
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tumble dryer said:
b0rk said:
FiF said:
Back on topic, being reported that POL has employed a team of ex police detectives, headed by Gary Brooks, former head of major crime unit at Lancashire, to investigate the role of the 'untouchables' the fraud squad investigators who are accused of bullying and intimidating sub postmasters.

Currently interviewing victims who claim they were wrongly treated.

Edited to add, a recording of an interview previously claimed as lost has been unearthed by the police team.

Edited by FiF on Sunday 25th February 16:22
This feels like POL are trying to get ahead of bad news story to be going down this route so late in the day, or maybe to try and shift blame to few sacrificial lambs. Other than POL shaming a few employees for being sts not sure how this helps, or how it doesn’t run the risk of preventing the actual police and CPS from bringing prosecutions if criminal acts had been committed. Fair trial rather than trial by media and all that…
Yeah, I'm with that thinking too...

When I first read FiF's post I was conflicted.

I liked the sound of what was being touted, but there was that uneasiness as to the bona fides of, well, let's be honest, the slipperiest, most dishonest, arsesaving-ist, self-preserving, myopic, self-serving bunch of now stting themselves, dishonest and lying, bullying s (that our successive governments have patted on the back) ever.
On balance I tend to think more negatively about this than positively. Clearly the devil is in the detail and a lot depends on the remit. But look at the track record, this is a different slant on the setting up of an independent auditor, then when Second Sight's investigation came up with the wrong answers from POL viewpoint they were shutdown and access to information removed.

The only positive thing that I could positively squeeze out of it could be that there are some who have genuinely been shocked, feel they have been misled by the central villains, and want to see how much more is sitting waiting to come out of the woodwork. Question is who would be sufficiently senior to set this investigation up but still genuinely have been kept in the dark.

Which question leads me to suspect it's another exercise to try and get ahead of things and focus blame on a few to be claimed as 'bad apples' when in reality it's the apple core that stinks more than anything.

In short it's a villain keeping to their modus operandi. Previously all was blamed on the small guys, the SPMs, now it's the investigators' turn.