Mr Bates vs The Post Office
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Regarding the Lee Castleton prosecution...
Sir Wyn Williams, the chairman of the inquiry, said: “There would have been a person within the Post Office organisation who would have had authority to sign off spending the money without taking it either to you or to the board.”
When asked if it was likely to have been chief executive Ms Vennells, Mr Cook said “yes”.
Sir Wyn Williams, the chairman of the inquiry, said: “There would have been a person within the Post Office organisation who would have had authority to sign off spending the money without taking it either to you or to the board.”
When asked if it was likely to have been chief executive Ms Vennells, Mr Cook said “yes”.
I came across this gem
“Former Post Office managing director Alan Cook at that point said to her in an email:
My instincts tell that in a recession subbies with their hand in the till choose to blame technology when they are found to be short of cash.
He tells the inquiry “it’s an expression I will regret for the rest of my life. It was an inappropriate thing to put in an email and not in line with my view of subpostmasters.””
If it wasn’t what he thought, then why the hell put it in an email then?
Another one who should be held responsible but won’t be - already passed the buck to Vennells and I shall be amazed if she gives evidence - she will certainly have to have the self incrimination warning!
“Former Post Office managing director Alan Cook at that point said to her in an email:
My instincts tell that in a recession subbies with their hand in the till choose to blame technology when they are found to be short of cash.
He tells the inquiry “it’s an expression I will regret for the rest of my life. It was an inappropriate thing to put in an email and not in line with my view of subpostmasters.””
If it wasn’t what he thought, then why the hell put it in an email then?
Another one who should be held responsible but won’t be - already passed the buck to Vennells and I shall be amazed if she gives evidence - she will certainly have to have the self incrimination warning!
FiF said:
Regarding the Lee Castleton prosecution...
Sir Wyn Williams, the chairman of the inquiry, said: “There would have been a person within the Post Office organisation who would have had authority to sign off spending the money without taking it either to you or to the board.”
When asked if it was likely to have been chief executive Ms Vennells, Mr Cook said “yes”.
Regained his memory just in time to finger Ms V, I see (unpleasant image very much intended)Sir Wyn Williams, the chairman of the inquiry, said: “There would have been a person within the Post Office organisation who would have had authority to sign off spending the money without taking it either to you or to the board.”
When asked if it was likely to have been chief executive Ms Vennells, Mr Cook said “yes”.
Boringvolvodriver said:
I came across this gem
“Former Post Office managing director Alan Cook at that point said to her in an email:
My instincts tell that in a recession subbies with their hand in the till choose to blame technology when they are found to be short of cash.
He tells the inquiry “it’s an expression I will regret for the rest of my life. It was an inappropriate thing to put in an email and not in line with my view of subpostmasters.””
If it wasn’t what he thought, then why the hell put it in an email then?
Another one who should be held responsible but won’t be - already passed the buck to Vennells and I shall be amazed if she gives evidence - she will certainly have to have the self incrimination warning!
It's another illustration of the culture - organisationally, the PO "knew" that SPMRs were dishonest, so nobody really questioned what was going on. Here we have an MD making the statement, but it was presumably a widespread belief.“Former Post Office managing director Alan Cook at that point said to her in an email:
My instincts tell that in a recession subbies with their hand in the till choose to blame technology when they are found to be short of cash.
He tells the inquiry “it’s an expression I will regret for the rest of my life. It was an inappropriate thing to put in an email and not in line with my view of subpostmasters.””
If it wasn’t what he thought, then why the hell put it in an email then?
Another one who should be held responsible but won’t be - already passed the buck to Vennells and I shall be amazed if she gives evidence - she will certainly have to have the self incrimination warning!
Given that this very senior guy was only up for 1/2 day of evidence, it's clear that the Inquiry doesn't think he's that relevant, either because he isn't, or because they couldn't find any hard evidence to tie him to any of the key bad decisions.
LimmerickLad said:
Summary of Croziers evidence so far......."nothing to do with me guv"
Par for the course - a circular blame game.Let’s just hope that Sir Wyn and his team will be able to see through it all and come up with a report that does actually pin the blame on certain people.However, I don’t expect that will happen - more a case of, systemic failures throughout the organisation, poor culture and general management. Lessons have been learnt and everybody is very sorry but it was a long time ago in different times.
Yes, i am a cynic!
Boringvolvodriver said:
LimmerickLad said:
Summary of Croziers evidence so far......."nothing to do with me guv"
Par for the course - a circular blame game.Let’s just hope that Sir Wyn and his team will be able to see through it all and come up with a report that does actually pin the blame on certain people.However, I don’t expect that will happen - more a case of, systemic failures throughout the organisation, poor culture and general management. Lessons have been learnt and everybody is very sorry but it was a long time ago in different times.
Yes, i am a cynic!
I liked the last KC's rotweiller style of questioning.
'He made a total of £9.7m in pay and bonuses in his time at Royal Mail, as well as a pension valued at £1.1m in 2008.'
And the others
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68452842
And the others
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68452842
SydneyBridge said:
'He made a total of £9.7m in pay and bonuses in his time at Royal Mail, as well as a pension valued at £1.1m in 2008.'
And the others
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68452842
An utter bunch of bAnd the others
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68452842
ds.Sadly doubt any of them will see the inside of a prison cell.
Utterly infuriating
mikeiow said:
SydneyBridge said:
'He made a total of £9.7m in pay and bonuses in his time at Royal Mail, as well as a pension valued at £1.1m in 2008.'
And the others
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68452842
An utter bunch of bAnd the others
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68452842
ds.Sadly doubt any of them will see the inside of a prison cell.
Utterly infuriating
Edited by TwinKam on Friday 12th April 19:08
TwinKam said:
mikeiow said:
SydneyBridge said:
'He made a total of £9.7m in pay and bonuses in his time at Royal Mail, as well as a pension valued at £1.1m in 2008.'
And the others
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68452842
An utter bunch of bAnd the others
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68452842
ds.Sadly doubt any of them will see the inside of a prison cell.
Utterly infuriating
Edited by TwinKam on Friday 12th April 19:08
TwinKam said:
I could overlook the lack of prison time, maybe, if those found guilty were asset stripped and left with an uncertain and financially insecure future, having to look to family and friends for help... those fat cat pension pots would sure help top up the repayment pot for the spms.
Totally agree on this aspect - although the chances of that happening as as remote as Alan Cook remembering what he did or didn’t know!Edited by TwinKam on Friday 12th April 19:08
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