Mr Bates vs The Post Office
Discussion
dmsims said:
Don't forget to add the duties of an expert witness and failure to disclose
Also depends if the expert witness has been briefed of their duties. I suspect his defence will be that he was not adequately briefed by his employer as to his duties.Let alone the massive conflict of interest he had in giving evidence.
Is ignorance an excuse ?
Failure to disclose by the PO in general as well (e.g. Misra)
Failure to disclose by the PO in general as well (e.g. Misra)
vaud said:
Also depends if the expert witness has been briefed of their duties. I suspect his defence will be that he was not adequately briefed by his employer as to his duties.
Let alone the massive conflict of interest he had in giving evidence.
Let alone the massive conflict of interest he had in giving evidence.
TwinKam said:
Bonefish Blues said:
e600 said:
Having watched KC Beers questioning of VDB, by her own admission she is guilty of PCOJ in the previous trials.
Does anyone know what the next phase of this exercise will be, ie post inquiry results, does CPS make a decision
Police have to put charges to the CPS & the CPS decides whether the prosecution can proceed.Does anyone know what the next phase of this exercise will be, ie post inquiry results, does CPS make a decision
Not sure I have heard any statements from the police on this - certainly not in the recent past?
Bonefish Blues said:
Yes, that was covered in the last couple of weeks, but it's absent police/CPS action, which will be decided upon first.
Does it need any police involvement? From what I remember, Mr Justice Fraser sent a file to the DPP about the veracity of some witnesses’ evidence in the Horizon Issues trial. Presumably Williams could do the same after the inquiry?https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/post-office-it-c...
dmsims said:
Is ignorance an excuse ?
Failure to disclose by the PO in general as well (e.g. Misra)
I don't think it is an excuse, but it might form part of his defence as a mitigation. IANAL.Failure to disclose by the PO in general as well (e.g. Misra)
vaud said:
Also depends if the expert witness has been briefed of their duties. I suspect his defence will be that he was not adequately briefed by his employer as to his duties.
Let alone the massive conflict of interest he had in giving evidence.
Let alone the massive conflict of interest he had in giving evidence.
alangla said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Yes, that was covered in the last couple of weeks, but it's absent police/CPS action, which will be decided upon first.
Does it need any police involvement? From what I remember, Mr Justice Fraser sent a file to the DPP about the veracity of some witnesses’ evidence in the Horizon Issues trial. Presumably Williams could do the same after the inquiry?https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/post-office-it-c...
SydneyBridge said:
The PO would not disclose any techincal info about Horizon, error logs etc, so it was completly impossible for a SPM to defend themselves. It was just assumed they were guilty.
As soon as it was known that Fujitsu could make 'adjustments' every conviction was unsafe, in 2010 when Avb does not recall the email
Wonder what we have today, Mr Beer must have saved something good...
Could SPMs not have applied for a Norwich Pharmacal order or similar to force Fujitsu to reveal information?As soon as it was known that Fujitsu could make 'adjustments' every conviction was unsafe, in 2010 when Avb does not recall the email
Wonder what we have today, Mr Beer must have saved something good...
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Bonefish Blues said:
I'm not sure 'technically' (for want of a better term) but it would be highly unusual, maybe unprecedented for a private prosecution to proceed if the police hadn't completed enquiries.
Unprecedented? The PO did it thousands of times. This is grim viewing today. I half expected AvdB to break down and admit that she had been responsible, as least in part, for the death of Martin Griffiths.
But nothing, other than continued defence of her actions.
POL management were so deeply committed to their corporate aims, they lost their humanity.
But nothing, other than continued defence of her actions.
POL management were so deeply committed to their corporate aims, they lost their humanity.
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