Mr Bates vs The Post Office
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Castrol for a knave said:
I too had a grudging admiration for the way she just faced down the questioning, though I think a lot of this is that she is lost in her own reality.
I don't. Every Every one of these senior managers needs to go to jail.
If criminal convictions aren't possible, then civil cases need to be brought and these people bankrupted, just like they did to the SPMs.
Alan Bates deserves a knighthood.
Edit: I would also like to see Fujitsu management who covered things up to see jail time as well. Fujitsu should have no place in future government tenders either (the private company I work for will not deal with Fujitsu on any level))
Edited by TriumphStag3.0V8 on Friday 26th April 16:07
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Castrol for a knave said:
I too had a grudging admiration for the way she just faced down the questioning, though I think a lot of this is that she is lost in her own reality.
I don't. Every Every one of these senior managers needs to go to jail.
If criminal convictions aren't possible, then civil cases need to be brought and these people bankrupted, just like they did to the SPMs.
Alan Bates deserves a knighthood.
Bloke from Second Sight I think . . .
https://www.postofficehorizoninquiry.org.uk/phase-...
Correction . . .
Hugh Flemington - former Head of Legal at Post Office Ltd
Harry Bowyer - Barrister and former employee of Cartwright King Solicitors
https://www.postofficehorizoninquiry.org.uk/phase-...
Correction . . .
Hugh Flemington - former Head of Legal at Post Office Ltd
Harry Bowyer - Barrister and former employee of Cartwright King Solicitors
Edited by Digger on Friday 26th April 15:48
Wills2 said:
I think some posters are confusing flat denials of the proven truth with a credible defence, it isn't.
I'm prepared to admit being begrudgingly impressed that despite the enormous time and resources of the inquiry they haven't as yet pinned a single thing on her. I kind of think if you're going to repeatedly call someone a liar you should be able to prove it.Hey ho.
ETA: haven't seen this afternoon's transmission yet though, have had to go out.
Also, I see Jarnail Singh is on next Friday, that should be entertaining.
Also, as a result of today, I looked up the Helen Rose Report and read Nick Wallis's take on it. Incredible reading, how has this not resulted in prosecution?
https://www.postofficescandal.uk/post/post-office-...
Edited by heebeegeetee on Friday 26th April 15:56
heebeegeetee said:
Wills2 said:
I think some posters are confusing flat denials of the proven truth with a credible defence, it isn't.
I'm prepared to admit being begrudgingly impressed that despite the enormous time and resources of the inquiry they haven't as yet pinned a single thing on her. I kind of think if you're going to repeatedly call someone a liar you should be able to prove it.Hey ho.
LimmerickLad said:
Not sure a jury comprising of 12 "passengers on the Clapham Omnibus" would seeit the same as you.
This.There is not going to be any smoking gun with her. And when you get close she will revert to “As I understand it to have been” “That was X’s responsibility” or a flat “No”.
In reality, if there had been a single document that sank her and the whole enterprise, we would have known about it by now.
Instead, there is a huge, Technicolor painting being made before our very eyes of people who made up the senior management of an organisation that was rotten throughout. And the less candid she is, the more this giant fresco is swallowing her up. She’s don’t nothing to persuade us that she was either an innocent bystander or that a secret cabal was running the show.
In seeking to try to bat off every ball like Geoffrey Boycott she has doing nothing to persuade the inquiry that her version of events should be more believable than the weight of evidence to the contrary.
Same for the former GCs Crichton and Aujard (though I missed their evidence). And I don’t think Vennells will be able to convince us otherwise.
When people say they have a begrudging admiration, it's not an endorsement of her. She's odious.
It's more like the time when my mate walked into a motorway service station and walked out with 4 chairs and came back for the table, to furnish his new flat.
It's the sheer chutzpah of maintaining your innocence in the face of overwhelming evidence that you were up to your little blond bob in nefarious goings on.
Do you think they have been advised to be so lacking in any empathy and sympathy? Almost all of them show nothing by way of feelings for what they were part of. Is that because offering sympathy would show a sense of guilt to the audience? Not sure this is a strategy I would take. They are all such awful people.
I did like the barrister haranguing her for automaton and post office corporate speak.
I did like the barrister haranguing her for automaton and post office corporate speak.
Tom8 said:
Do you think they have been advised to be so lacking in any empathy and sympathy? Almost all of them show nothing by way of feelings for what they were part of. Is that because offering sympathy would show a sense of guilt to the audience? Not sure this is a strategy I would take. They are all such awful people.
I did like the barrister haranguing her for automaton and post office corporate speak.
I hope they are as distressed as they made the SPMs, even if none of the cowards are showing it. I did like the barrister haranguing her for automaton and post office corporate speak.
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Tom8 said:
Do you think they have been advised to be so lacking in any empathy and sympathy? Almost all of them show nothing by way of feelings for what they were part of. Is that because offering sympathy would show a sense of guilt to the audience? Not sure this is a strategy I would take. They are all such awful people.
I did like the barrister haranguing her for automaton and post office corporate speak.
I hope they are as distressed as they made the SPMs, even if none of the cowards are showing it. I did like the barrister haranguing her for automaton and post office corporate speak.
Watching through this afternoon - VDB's recollections of meeting Mrs O'Dell are crystal clear, in contradiction of almost all other recollections.
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She was in charge of the Helpline service, has it been established who gave the instruction that helpline operators are to instruct spms that "they're the only one"?
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She was in charge of the Helpline service, has it been established who gave the instruction that helpline operators are to instruct spms that "they're the only one"?
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