Masters Of The Air - Apple TV
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and31 said:
dirky dirk said:
Looking forwards to this later.
12 weeks after getting to Thorpe abbot 2 out of 36 of the original b17s were left.
Average of 11 missions before you got shot down
One raid was 1200 b17s and 400 mustangs.
It took three hours to get all the aircraft over the target
Do you listen to the We have ways podcast? This was on there recently-astounding numbers!!12 weeks after getting to Thorpe abbot 2 out of 36 of the original b17s were left.
Average of 11 missions before you got shot down
One raid was 1200 b17s and 400 mustangs.
It took three hours to get all the aircraft over the target
I love the fact that a Mosquito could carry a slightly bigger bomb load to Berlin than a B17 could.I know what I’d rather be flying, given the choice
Try Damcasters, for you the war is over, world of warbirds, the mighty eighth, toplandingear and my friends called fighting through.
The one with the Lancaster rear gunner called Claude Reynolds is excellent
dirky dirk said:
and31 said:
dirky dirk said:
Looking forwards to this later.
12 weeks after getting to Thorpe abbot 2 out of 36 of the original b17s were left.
Average of 11 missions before you got shot down
One raid was 1200 b17s and 400 mustangs.
It took three hours to get all the aircraft over the target
Do you listen to the We have ways podcast? This was on there recently-astounding numbers!!12 weeks after getting to Thorpe abbot 2 out of 36 of the original b17s were left.
Average of 11 missions before you got shot down
One raid was 1200 b17s and 400 mustangs.
It took three hours to get all the aircraft over the target
I love the fact that a Mosquito could carry a slightly bigger bomb load to Berlin than a B17 could.I know what I’d rather be flying, given the choice
Try Damcasters, for you the war is over, world of warbirds, the mighty eighth, toplandingear and my friends called fighting through.
The one with the Lancaster rear gunner called Claude Reynolds is excellent
Eric Mc said:
CGI works best for objects and features that don't really exist in the real world - that's why it works well with dinosaurs, fantasy creatures and sci-fi etc.
Most of us are familiar with real world objects such as cars, ships and aircraft and we know how they behave and how they move. Some of us know these things quite intimately (
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Therefore, when rendered using CGI it is very obvious if they get some of these actions wrong - such as aircraft making impossible turns or manoeuvers. Looking at the odd trailer I've seen for "Masters of the Air" it looks to me they have packed too many aircraft into too small a space - it looks rather dense.
We have real footage from the period of what mass B-17 daylight raids look like so they have no excuse for not getting it right.
Or maybe they thought that showing the bombing raids in a realistic way would not be exciting enough for a generation brought up on "Transformer" movies and computer games?
Yeah, I tried to get into it but the poor CGI keeps pushing me away. Some of it reminds me of cutscenes in late 90s videogames in its quality. And unrealistic in all the ways you mention.Most of us are familiar with real world objects such as cars, ships and aircraft and we know how they behave and how they move. Some of us know these things quite intimately (
)Therefore, when rendered using CGI it is very obvious if they get some of these actions wrong - such as aircraft making impossible turns or manoeuvers. Looking at the odd trailer I've seen for "Masters of the Air" it looks to me they have packed too many aircraft into too small a space - it looks rather dense.
We have real footage from the period of what mass B-17 daylight raids look like so they have no excuse for not getting it right.
Or maybe they thought that showing the bombing raids in a realistic way would not be exciting enough for a generation brought up on "Transformer" movies and computer games?
Honestly I find it easier to swallow some of the 1960s films like 633 Squadron, you know some stuff is back-projected but it's generally less jarring than this. A shame with all the computing power we have today.
Just watched the first two episodes, and have to admit I was quite disappointed. It's certainly no Band of Brothers.
The CGI was over the top. Why does every aircraft have to leave a trail of exhaust smoke, yet there's (as others have pointed out) almost no smoking in it! The come in to land at the newly built Thorpe Abbots airfield and the piano keys at the end of the runway are all old and faded.
And why is everything in a misty soft focus?
It seemed a bit disjointed as well. I'll probably still keep watching it though.
The CGI was over the top. Why does every aircraft have to leave a trail of exhaust smoke, yet there's (as others have pointed out) almost no smoking in it! The come in to land at the newly built Thorpe Abbots airfield and the piano keys at the end of the runway are all old and faded.
And why is everything in a misty soft focus?
It seemed a bit disjointed as well. I'll probably still keep watching it though.
dirky dirk said:
and31 said:
dirky dirk said:
Looking forwards to this later.
12 weeks after getting to Thorpe abbot 2 out of 36 of the original b17s were left.
Average of 11 missions before you got shot down
One raid was 1200 b17s and 400 mustangs.
It took three hours to get all the aircraft over the target
Do you listen to the We have ways podcast? This was on there recently-astounding numbers!!12 weeks after getting to Thorpe abbot 2 out of 36 of the original b17s were left.
Average of 11 missions before you got shot down
One raid was 1200 b17s and 400 mustangs.
It took three hours to get all the aircraft over the target
I love the fact that a Mosquito could carry a slightly bigger bomb load to Berlin than a B17 could.I know what I’d rather be flying, given the choice
Try Damcasters, for you the war is over, world of warbirds, the mighty eighth, toplandingear and my friends called fighting through.
The one with the Lancaster rear gunner called Claude Reynolds is excellent
Seantr6 said:
The museum at Thorpe abbot is very good. Went there a couple of years ago and it remains one of the memorable museum visits. Small but very personal to the memory of the pilots and aircrew that were based there. It really is worth a visit.
That’s on my to do list-i ve been driving right past there for work recently, very tempted to pop up there but I’m in a 8 wheel tipper lorry it’s perhaps not the best of ideas
Well im by no means an expert..
But its no band if brothers,
Ive read the book, (combat crew by john comer is better)
Seems abit hollywoodified to me, the one punch punch up the just clearing the cliff, ive argued this point with a few septic tanks on various fb groups but they wont have any of it, its still indoctrinated in them still i suppose.
Ill continue to watch it becasue i enjoy the subject
And its been such a long time coming i thoufht id enjoy it more..
If b o b is 10/10 id give it a seven
Would have been better as a film perhaps
But its no band if brothers,
Ive read the book, (combat crew by john comer is better)
Seems abit hollywoodified to me, the one punch punch up the just clearing the cliff, ive argued this point with a few septic tanks on various fb groups but they wont have any of it, its still indoctrinated in them still i suppose.
Ill continue to watch it becasue i enjoy the subject
And its been such a long time coming i thoufht id enjoy it more..
If b o b is 10/10 id give it a seven
Would have been better as a film perhaps
Eric Mc said:
dirky dirk said:
the one punch punch up the just clearing the cliff,
Can you explain that statement to me please?Then the bit where a B17 is losing height coming towards a cliff in Scotland having lost two engines-then they drop the landing gear-that will help them whilst losing height im sure…they then clip the cliff and land .
also the whole bomber group throttling back to 130 mph because of one crippled bomber? I read the book and don’t recall this being in it, and i really can’t believe it would have happened .
Then later they phone the mess at their base from Scotland and are having a swell time in Scotland with people “that don’t like the English either…”
I can’t recall finding much evidence that anyone from the 8th air force didn’t like the locals-the exact opposite is true
And why do the locals from Norfolk/suffolk sound like they are from the f
king West Country? and31 said:
Eric Mc said:
dirky dirk said:
the one punch punch up the just clearing the cliff,
Can you explain that statement to me please?Then the bit where a B17 is losing height coming towards a cliff in Scotland having lost two engines-then they drop the landing gear-that will help them whilst losing height im sure…they then clip the cliff and land .
also the whole bomber group throttling back to 130 mph because of one crippled bomber? I read the book and don’t recall this being in it, and i really can’t believe it would have happened .
Then later they phone the mess at their base from Scotland and are having a swell time in Scotland with people that don’t like the English either…
I can’t recall finding much evidence that anyone from the 8th air force didn’t like the locals-the exact opposite is true
And why do the locals from Norfolk/suffolk sound like they are from the f
king West Country? eccles said:
and31 said:
Eric Mc said:
dirky dirk said:
the one punch punch up the just clearing the cliff,
Can you explain that statement to me please?Then the bit where a B17 is losing height coming towards a cliff in Scotland having lost two engines-then they drop the landing gear-that will help them whilst losing height im sure…they then clip the cliff and land .
also the whole bomber group throttling back to 130 mph because of one crippled bomber? I read the book and don’t recall this being in it, and i really can’t believe it would have happened .
Then later they phone the mess at their base from Scotland and are having a swell time in Scotland with people that don’t like the English either…
I can’t recall finding much evidence that anyone from the 8th air force didn’t like the locals-the exact opposite is true
And why do the locals from Norfolk/suffolk sound like they are from the f
king West Country? Caddyshack said:
I liked it a lot. I can’t say I noticed any cgi but then I wasn’t really looking for it, just watched it and enjoyed it.
Agreed. I thought the first 2 episodes were absolutely fantastic. If there was any obvious CGI I must have missed it, my only tiny bug-bear is how easily the fully laden Forts seem to take off, other than that it his the perfect balance for me. I'm sure there will be a few howls of disbelief when 200 Lufwaffe fighters attack head-on during the Munster raid, when it really did actually happen.
Well worth the wait so far for me.
Getting lost
Landing gear failure
Cross wind landing
Counting them home
Cut scene from American Werewolf
Any other cliche from Ep1 that I've missed?
Add in that everybody looks the same, more so with masks on and just so much cgi. It is woeful.
Not sure I can must the energy to bother with Ep2. I will coz BoB, so I know it can't really be this bad for the whole series. Can it?
3.5/10
Landing gear failure
Cross wind landing
Counting them home
Cut scene from American Werewolf
Any other cliche from Ep1 that I've missed?
Add in that everybody looks the same, more so with masks on and just so much cgi. It is woeful.
Not sure I can must the energy to bother with Ep2. I will coz BoB, so I know it can't really be this bad for the whole series. Can it?
3.5/10
The cgi is horrific in some scenes, they seem to have sped up the planes for dramatic effect. The scene of the B17 abandoning its landing with the smoke pouring from its engines was laughable.
The first episode should really have given us time ti like the characters, hopefully it’ll get better.
The first episode should really have given us time ti like the characters, hopefully it’ll get better.
ben5575 said:
Getting lost
Landing gear failure
Cross wind landing
Counting them home
Cut scene from American Werewolf
Any other cliche from Ep1 that I've missed?
Add in that everybody looks the same, more so with masks on and just so much cgi. It is woeful.
Not sure I can must the energy to bother with Ep2. I will coz BoB, so I know it can't really be this bad for the whole series. Can it?
3.5/10
It’s not as good as BoB so far, but neither is it as unwatchable as you make out. Landing gear failure
Cross wind landing
Counting them home
Cut scene from American Werewolf
Any other cliche from Ep1 that I've missed?
Add in that everybody looks the same, more so with masks on and just so much cgi. It is woeful.
Not sure I can must the energy to bother with Ep2. I will coz BoB, so I know it can't really be this bad for the whole series. Can it?
3.5/10
Ep2 is where you start to get to know some of the characters a lot better.
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