Shogun, Disney

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McGee_22

6,716 posts

179 months

Thursday 14th March
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The English male lead speaks in Richard Burton style phrases which actually don’t sound like mimickry and do add to the character. The female lead has also recently starred in Apple TV’s Monarch: Legacy of Monsters and has gained critical acclaim for both - she is very watchable and very, very good at stealing scenes. The Japanese male lead is once again excellent as he has been in almost every role I have seen him in.

10/10 slashing blades then cool silences.

GTO-3R

7,481 posts

213 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Still going strong this series and another very good episode dropped today smile

C5_Steve

3,067 posts

103 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Not seen the latest one but the end of Ep 4 had was brilliant. Always wanted to see what chain shot did.

Shaoxter

4,079 posts

124 months

Tuesday 19th March
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Terzo123 said:
Episode 4 dropped this morning.

It's the best thing on TV at the moment.
Only watched the first 2 episodes so far, but agree with that!
The English dude seems to be a terrible actor though.

CSNY

133 posts

57 months

Wednesday 20th March
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McGee_22 said:
The English male lead speaks in Richard Burton style phrases which actually don’t sound like mimickry and do add to the character. The female lead has also recently starred in Apple TV’s Monarch: Legacy of Monsters and has gained critical acclaim for both - she is very watchable and very, very good at stealing scenes. The Japanese male lead is once again excellent as he has been in almost every role I have seen him in.

10/10 slashing blades then cool silences.
This - watched first two episodes last night after seeing the Critical Drinker's review. Very, very good, and definitely not made for "modern audiences".

KobayashiMaru86

1,172 posts

210 months

Wednesday 20th March
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I'd just finished Ghost Of Tsushima which was great and similar to this. Watched the first 4 and it's been fantastic. Have the 5th one ready to watch tonight. This is how TV should be.

Mr E

21,616 posts

259 months

Wednesday 20th March
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For those interested, the first book is on kindle for 99p. All 1100 pages of it.

biggbn

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23,345 posts

220 months

Thursday 21st March
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Really enjoying this, very faithful to the book so far. The English actor reminds me more of Lewis Collins than Richard Burton but we must remember he is trying to put over the arrogance and unshakeable belief of an English Protestant of that time. I think he is doing a decent job.

Mars

8,711 posts

214 months

Thursday 21st March
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biggbn said:
Really enjoying this, very faithful to the book so far. The English actor reminds me more of Lewis Collins than Richard Burton but we must remember he is trying to put over the arrogance and unshakeable belief of an English Protestant of that time. I think he is doing a decent job.
Me too. He's certainly not an immediately likeable character which is how I guess our British ancestors may have come across to other nations. When "we" meet with the Japanese, another culture with an unshakeable self-belief, it must have been a real clash of ideals.

272BHP

5,065 posts

236 months

Saturday 23rd March
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I am simply amazed Disney green lighted it to be honest.

English white male gets shipwrecked and finds himself among an indigenous population. Due to his intelligence, diplomacy and gallantry he easily navigates to a position of power and wealth.

laugh

Giggles aside, I was worried about this as I loved the book and the original series and was terrified it would be ruined but they have done a cracking job so far.

Hiroyuki Sanada is superb as Toranaga.

cuprabob

14,627 posts

214 months

Tuesday 26th March
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Just watched the 6th episode and the quality continues.

C5_Steve

3,067 posts

103 months

Tuesday 26th March
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I'm only up to 5 but I loved the focus on the value of life and honour. A very intimate episode whilst also furthering the political undertones rumbling away.

Very GoT.

irish boy

3,535 posts

236 months

Tuesday 26th March
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Just started this. Very impressed. Japanese culture of this era was fascinating.

cuprabob

14,627 posts

214 months

Tuesday 9th April
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Just watched today's episode, the 8th and I would go as far as to say, it's the best one yet.

tupak798

56 posts

2 months

Tuesday 9th April
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cuprabob said:
Just watched today's episode, the 8th and I would go as far as to say, it's the best one yet.
100% agree, great show.

Shaoxter

4,079 posts

124 months

Tuesday 9th April
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Absolutely incredible episode (and series so far)

wisbech

2,978 posts

121 months

Wednesday 10th April
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The only thing that gets me - I am sure in the book he becomes proficient in Japanese pretty quickly. Why does the series have him still speaking "Portuguese" (well, English) and broken Japanese? I was expecting it to go all Japanese, apart from when foreigners are talking to each other. It makes him come across as a bit of a dolt to be honest. Couldn't they find an actor with reasonable Japanese and/or teach them phonetic Japanese for their lines?

Compare with "Tokyo Vice" where the foreign actors speak Japanese 80% of the time (switching to English when talking to another foreigner)




McGee_22

6,716 posts

179 months

Wednesday 10th April
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wisbech said:
The only thing that gets me - I am sure in the book he becomes proficient in Japanese pretty quickly. Why does the series have him still speaking "Portuguese" (well, English) and broken Japanese? I was expecting it to go all Japanese, apart from when foreigners are talking to each other. It makes him come across as a bit of a dolt to be honest. Couldn't they find an actor with reasonable Japanese and/or teach them phonetic Japanese for their lines?

Compare with "Tokyo Vice" where the foreign actors speak Japanese 80% of the time (switching to English when talking to another foreigner)
I'm not sure I'm due a fast parrot but to try and answer your question I'm not sure if the Japanese had set up language schools, lessons or even tutors in the early 17th Century when the story is set. Perhaps a business opportunity missed?

C5_Steve

3,067 posts

103 months

Wednesday 10th April
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wisbech said:
The only thing that gets me - I am sure in the book he becomes proficient in Japanese pretty quickly. Why does the series have him still speaking "Portuguese" (well, English) and broken Japanese? I was expecting it to go all Japanese, apart from when foreigners are talking to each other. It makes him come across as a bit of a dolt to be honest. Couldn't they find an actor with reasonable Japanese and/or teach them phonetic Japanese for their lines?

Compare with "Tokyo Vice" where the foreign actors speak Japanese 80% of the time (switching to English when talking to another foreigner)
Not read the book but his rate of picking up Japanese hasn't jumped out as slow to me in the show? Seems about right.

wisbech

2,978 posts

121 months

Wednesday 10th April
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McGee_22 said:
I'm not sure I'm due a fast parrot but to try and answer your question I'm not sure if the Japanese had set up language schools, lessons or even tutors in the early 17th Century when the story is set. Perhaps a business opportunity missed?
From what I recall in the book, he is a polyglot (English/ Dutch/ Portuguese/ Spanish/ Latin - remember Mariko is translating from Japanese to Portuguese, not English) And he is immersed in Japanese 24/7, with a tutor (Mariko) and he is given a Japanese-Latin-Portuguese dictionary.

Looked it up - in the book one of the things the villagers have to do (on pain of death) is get him to a suitable standard of Japanese within 6 months. So everyone is very motivated to do so. Of course, the show might be compressing time vs the book.

So, yeah, by this stage in the books his Japanese isn't fluent, but functional. For "business" conversations with Toranaga, he would still need to use a translator, but day to day interactions would be in Japanese.